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Quote: When I process fish for fillets, 50% of the quality meat is discarded. When same fish are processed for consumption on the round nearly 80% of quality meat is available for consumption. When entire, or nealry entire fish such with smelt, then all or most can be consumed. If offal /...

Thread did go off on a couple tangents. Purpose was to discuss a measure of ineffeciency / waste with emphasis on lives consumed. It is a denser nutrient source than most plant based foods. Other relavent measures are pollution, carbon footprint, economics to name but a few. For me this was...

You appear to be correct. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/ Amount consumed very modest at best and canines not needed to subdue. To same extent I am known to eat broccoli and genetic evidence could be found in my scat...

Quote: I haven't heard anything about gorillas eating meat, but they do eat grubs and such so maybe that qualifies. Chimps hunt and kill game for meat. I don't know of a single primate that subsists wholly on a vegan diet. Gorillas and orangutans can give a vegan / vegetarian human a run...

Quote: Hippos will eat meat when possible. Gorillas will eat termites but I am not aware of documented consumption of vertebrate meat, certainly not of sort requiring canines to subdue and dismember like a chimpanzee or baboon might do. Gorilla's go to war with other groups of Gorilla's and...

Quote: Hippos will eat meat when possible. Gorillas will eat termites but I am not aware of documented consumption of vertebrate meat, certainly not of sort requiring canines to subdue and dismember like a chimpanzee or baboon might do.

Quote: Rebel, even for an ape you do not have pointy teeth. I would be surprized if you would even sink your teeth into something without first having a go at with some kind of fruity steak sauce and a fork. I agree.... Cause I actually have no teeth.... But back in the day..... Another...

Quote: Rebel, even for an ape you do not have pointy teeth. I would be surprized if you would even sink your teeth into something without first having a go at with some kind of fruity steak sauce and a fork.

Quote: Paleontology is a hobby interest of mine. Present human induced extinction rates if allowed to persist for too long will match that which took out dinosaurs and may even approach the event which took out our kin that preceeded the dinosaurs in dominance. The present human induced...

chickened, I am part of my own population control effort. Delayed birth of first born (> 35 years) and limited brood size to two. Delaying first reproduction and keeping average brood size to just over two kids can enable gradual reduction in population size. Averaging just two kids at any...

With the monarchs wintering sites, I think it is very specific temperature and humidity requirements in trees.

chickened, I am a biologist and an agriculturist that has a reality rooted in all sorts of conflicts of interests. In the former role I work with many species that are in trouble because of inadequate volumes of suitable habitat and / or lack the inability to colonize suitable new habitat as...

Quote: I've watched guys fileting grouper and snapper and throwing the heads and backbones back into the trash or into the drink for the crabs. Makes me want to cry. The backbone and attached meat off a thirty pound grouper makes a heck of a meal. I've caught 100s of bream (centrarchid) out...

cassie, Points you made are accurate. Killing is obligate step to between many places in the food web. It is the waste associated with our conversion process that is the issue. Too much of what is killed either does not make it to the table or is not consumed after stting on our plates...

Quote: I suppose that free ranged or pastured poultry utilize feeds that would not be available to be directly consumed by humans but I figure about 99% of what penned birds eat could be consumed directly. Talk about inefficiency of production; think about how many of our resources are used...

Quote: Losses of concern to me not restricted to animals actually consumed. Wildlife and even plant communities get hammered to such a degree that many can not sustain themselves when pressured by some of our land management stratagies. Also the business of feeding back animal by-products...

Quote: Yes, everybody takes a hit and we are prone to specism but controlling hit could be a stated objective.

Quote: Losses of concern to me not restricted to animals actually consumed. Wildlife and even plant communities get hammered to such a degree that many can not sustain themselves when pressured by some of our land management stratagies. Also the business of feeding back animal by-products...

Quote: Not response to point I am making. I eat meat as well, probably two to three times what you do as I am a big omnivore with strong carnivorous tendencies. I would probably eat your trolling butt and not be bothered unless you are laced with more pesticides than the average. Impacts of...

Now we are getting into realm of reality. Everything we do results in some non-target critter being converted into or pushed aside by our food production systems, house, car, or our own butts.