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Hello, I'm a dairy farmer from Lebanon county PA. My wife and I (plus two kids) own the family farm and milk 100+ cows that graze a portion of their diet during the growing season.

I'm new to the site but have been raising chickens for a couple of years now. It all started when I was artificially breeding some beef cows for my cousin as his Road Island Reds strutted around the barn. He was complaining a little about them and wanted to get rid of the 10 birds. I got done with the cows and he asked what I owe him. I said how about the chickens? He agreed and I came back a few days later to for the birds.

The Road Island Reds gave eggs but they were past their prime so I ordered some Barred Rock chicks from Murray McMurray. After raising the chicks in the garage, I moved the juveniles to another location 200 yards from the woods but next to some buildings. I lost nearly two third of the birds. We thought it was a hawk (without any evidence) but soon our dog killed a raccoon and the birds stopped disappearing.

The Rocks did well laying eggs but when our second child was born we lost the time and interest to take care of the chickens so both the remaining Reds and the Rocks went loose on the farm. I put some nest boxes in the barn and a few birds laid eggs there. However, a number of times I would go for some straw bales and find a pile of eggs. They were a little annoying when they scratched in the feed bunks...I hate chicken crap in my cows feed. They also started roosting on a tractor and they would crap on the tractor. I eventually gave them to a slightly handicapped teenager who sold them at a local auction

Somewhere in there we got some Cornish male chicks which we raised for meat. They did well but we thought the birds were tough and we should have butchered earlier.

When our oldest child (daughter) turned 3 I decided to teach her some responsibility and bought her some Road Island Red pullets plus two bags of feed. It was to be her business and she was to help take care of them. We would pay her for the eggs and she would buy her feed. She made money in the venture although I would have made sure she didn't loose money. It went well for a year until it got cold last winter and mom decided it was faster to take care of the birds herself. We decided we would just pay our daughter a little for her help with the birds and forget the 'ownership' mode until it comes time to cull the birds.

We now have around 20+ rainbow layers that are 4 weeks old. They are doing great. I had also got 10 jumbo Cornish x rocks males for meat with that shipment. In the 100 some chicks we've raised in the past we may have lost 3 or 4 chicks after the first week of life. The jumbo Cornish x Rocks we've lost 5 of 10. We're not happy with the birds and I would butcher the remaining birds now but don't have the time.

That brings me to my next venture in chickens and to the reason for my membership with this site. I'm now looking at breeding chickens. I'm very good with dairy breeding as it has kept my interest in farming during the bad times. I've done pure breeding in the past but am now 100% crossbreeding. I use recommended standard of dairy crossbreeding by using 3 distinct breeds and rotating them. My goal for breeding chickens is to breed a dual purpose chicken. I'm leaning towards crossbreeding the birds but I'm not sure how I'll do it. I could try to develop two breeds to eventually crossbreed for a once and done egg layer. I could just buy in the roosters to continually crossbreed the laying crossbreds I have. Your opinions are greatly appreciated on that!

I'm leaning towards having Barred Rocks again but haven't decided what other breed I may use. I like colorful birds and would prefer to stay away from a straight color. I love the Gold and Silver Wyandotte pattern but haven't researched them in detail yet.

Thank You!
 
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Sounds exciting! I love our Barred Rocks. Good luck with your breeding program.
 
Hello :frow and Welcome To BYC! Sounds like you've had some adventures during chicken ownership, sorry about the flock you lost to racoons, they are a nasty predator.
You might want to check out the Meat Birds forum about the problems you are having with the cornishX. https://www.backyardchickens.com/f/21/meat-birds-etc
You might be interested in some of the Heritage or Duel purpose breed threads, here are a couple https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/849075/heritage-large-fowl-phase-ii https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/85485/dual-purpose-flock-owners-unite
Most breeds also have their own breed threads if you want to do a search on them, ie Plymouth Rocks https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/273471/plymouth-rock-thread
and you might like to check out your state thread for your chicken keeping neighbors https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/248345/pennsylvania-unite
 
Hello, I'm a dairy farmer from Lebanon county PA. My wife and I (plus two kids) own the family farm and milk 100+ cows that graze a portion of their diet during the growing season.

I'm new to the site but have been raising chickens for a couple of years now. It all started when I was artificially breeding some beef cows for my cousin as his Road Island Reds strutted around the barn. He was complaining a little about them and wanted to get rid of the 10 birds. I got done with the cows and he asked what I owe him. I said how about the chickens? He agreed and I came back a few days later to for the birds.

The Road Island Reds gave eggs but they were past their prime so I ordered some Barred Rock chicks from Murray McMurray. After raising the chicks in the garage, I moved the juveniles to another location 200 yards from the woods but next to some buildings. I lost nearly two third of the birds. We thought it was a hawk (without any evidence) but soon our dog killed a raccoon and the birds stopped disappearing.

The Rocks did well laying eggs but when our second child was born we lost the time and interest to take care of the chickens so both the remaining Reds and the Rocks went loose on the farm. I put some nest boxes in the barn and a few birds laid eggs there. However, a number of times I would go for some straw bales and find a pile of eggs. They were a little annoying when they scratched in the feed bunks...I hate chicken crap in my cows feed. They also started roosting on a tractor and they would crap on the tractor. I eventually gave them to a slightly handicapped teenager who sold them at a local auction

Somewhere in there we got some Cornish male chicks which we raised for meat. They did well but we thought the birds were tough and we should have butchered earlier.

When our oldest child (daughter) turned 3 I decided to teach her some responsibility and bought her some Road Island Red pullets plus two bags of feed. It was to be her business and she was to help take care of them. We would pay her for the eggs and she would buy her feed. She made money in the venture although I would have made sure she didn't loose money. It went well for a year until it got cold last winter and mom decided it was faster to take care of the birds herself. We decided we would just pay our daughter a little for her help with the birds and forget the 'ownership' mode until it comes time to cull the birds.

We now have around 20+ rainbow layers that are 4 weeks old. They are doing great. I had also got 10 jumbo Cornish x rocks males for meat with that shipment. In the 100 some chicks we've raised in the past we may have lost 3 or 4 chicks after the first week of life. The jumbo Cornish x Rocks we've lost 5 of 10. We're not happy with the birds and I would butcher the remaining birds now but don't have the time.

That brings me to my next venture in chickens and to the reason for my membership with this site. I'm now looking at breeding chickens. I'm very good with dairy breeding as it has kept my interest in farming during the bad times. I've done pure breeding in the past but am now 100% crossbreeding. I use recommended standard of dairy crossbreeding by using 3 distinct breeds and rotating them. My goal for breeding chickens is to breed a dual purpose chicken. I'm leaning towards crossbreeding the birds but I'm not sure how I'll do it. I could try to develop two breeds to eventually crossbreed for a once and done egg layer. I could just buy in the roosters to continually crossbreed the laying crossbreds I have. Your opinions are greatly appreciated on that!

I'm leaning towards having Barred Rocks again but haven't decided what other breed I may use. I like colorful birds and would prefer to stay away from a straight color. I love the Gold and Silver Wyandotte pattern but haven't researched them in detail yet.

Thank You!
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great to have you joining the BYC flock
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Sounds like you will be rewriting BYC's learning center
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I hope you find what you are looking for here on BYC
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I really enjoyed reading about how you have been able to get the interest
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Enjoy all your poultry ventures
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Thank you for the welcome and kind replies.

I also should add that I am thinking of making a chicken tractor this year to pull around the yard. With my first birds, I had originally planned pulling them behind the cows in the pasture but decided not to after the episode with the juvenile barred rocks.

As far as getting kids involved. I have found that if you challenge them they will step up to the challenge. They are capable to do more than we think. Sure we've had a few broken eggs but that's part of the learning process. It could be hard for some children to accept the circle of life and death but our daughter does well with that.
 
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Welcome to BYC!

What great adventures you have had!! If you are looking to build a chicken tractor, stop by our tractor pages here on BYC for lots of ideas. Some of these may even have easy plans to follow...

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/chicken-tractors-mobile-chicken-coop-designs

Good luck with your breeding program! If you have any other questions, BYC is the place with all the answers! Welcome to our flock!
 
First of all, thanks for sharing your previous experience raising poultry, as I am new to chickens and still in research mode. The bird poo everywhere does sound like a hassle! Also interesting to hear that the meat birds you raised were tougher than you expected when it came time to eat them.

I think it's interesting that you want to breed chickens. There's a few places here in New England that are geared towards the preservation of older heritage breeds that are critically endangered. I wouldn't steer you away from cross breeding if that is what you wanted to do, but I certainly would encourage a greater awareness of some of the fantastic breeds that are being lost. The Livestock Conservancy keeps a list of endangered breeds based on number of breeding pairs still left; http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/poultry-breeds

In familiarizing myself with alllll the chicken breeds out there, and different varieties within--from Cuckoo Marans to Delawares and Dominiques, I was amazed at the sheer variety that exists in chickendom. I think personally when I do get chickens I will just have to try Russian Orloffs. They may not be great layers beyond their first year, but I am fascinated by their unusual looks and docile temperament. It also sounds like they are better than some breeds about staying alert through the night and so not becoming a predator's dinner quite as often.

In crossbreeding I guess I would hope you have some very clear criteria--heat or cold tolerant? Docile or flighty but a better egg layer? What color eggs are you hoping for? Do you want to emphasize feed to weight gain ratio, or develop a better foraging breed at the expense of being slower to mature?

Or, if you just want to have some fun, it sounds like many other people on here get a bunch of different breeds, and let the resulting chicks hatch out just to see what they get--including some bantam/ Large Fowl crosses!!

And just in case you find it an interesting conversation in regards to breeding a new dual purpose bird, here's a link to a different thread here on BYC discussing the best chicken breed for the apocalypse. :) https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/868086/best-chicken-for-the-apocalypse

Again thanks for sharing your adventures so far, and I hope you keep us posted on a your breeding efforts as you move forward. Welcome to BYC!
 
I think it's interesting that you want to breed chickens. There's a few places here in New England that are geared towards the preservation of older heritage breeds that are critically endangered. I wouldn't steer you away from cross breeding if that is what you wanted to do, but I certainly would encourage a greater awareness of some of the fantastic breeds that are being lost. The Livestock Conservancy keeps a list of endangered breeds based on number of breeding pairs still left; http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/poultry-breeds

Thank you Penella22 for the reply! I hadn't thought about preserving older heritage breeds. It's something I'll look into for sure.
 

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