100 Pound Dogs Fighting! Advice please..

[BirdsBeesTrees]

I have 4 dogs. The 2 dogs in question are Sofia, a Mastiff 1 1/2 years old and Kipper, a Great Pyrenees 2 years old. They used to be best friends, playing all day long. Now they absolutely hate each other. I don't know how or why. Neither of the girls are spayed. We could spay Sofia, but not Kipper. Kipper cannot be confined to get her to the vet, she has some severe anxiety issues. Again I don't know why because she was rarely kenneled, just tied out for her own safety as a puppy.
Question 1 are these two ever going to get along again? They had a huge fight tonight again. Question 2 how do you safely stop a dog fight?

 

[BirdsBeesTrees]

Sofia is the instigator, and more aggressive.

 

[roosterhavoc]

I have 4 dogs. The 2 dogs in question are Sofia, a Mastiff 1 1/2 years old and Kipper, a Great Pyrenees 2 years old. They used to be best friends, playing all day long. Now they absolutely hate each other. I don't know how or why. Neither of the girls are spayed. We could spay Sofia, but not Kipper. Kipper cannot be confined to get her to the vet, she has some severe anxiety issues. Again I don't know why because she was rarely kenneled, just tied out for her own safety as a puppy.
Question 1 are these two ever going to get along again? They had a huge fight tonight again. Question 2 how do you safely stop a dog fight?

Get them spayed. Grab each by the back legs and drag them away. Obviously this would take two people.

 

[.:Rusalka:.]

We have two boys, one is a dobermann mix 14years, other is a komondor 3years old. We had to separate them at 1,5 years of the small, because the dobermann is so dominant and can't understand it would be a bite for the other to kill him... It started as him playing rough, and humping (for dominance) the small all the time, and he didn't care at first but then the komondor lost trust in him. He's very protective of us, and decided the dobermann is a danger, so one day , when he didn't back off from us when warned and started growling, the komondor attacked. We got in the middle and it wasn't fun, even as a puppy he was super strong.
We asked for advice from the vet, but he said castrating the dobermann will not stop this. Then we asked a trainer friend, who said he saw our dobermann is not okay in the head and if he have some brains, he should understand that he's no boss anymore, just let them together in the garden for some hours. Actually never understood and they live separated since, for our own safety, as they started to fight around us because of the other 'protecting'. If we were not there, the komondor took all his stupidity with patience anyway.
The last fight happened when we had visitors and one of them didn't stop the dobermann entering the house even if warned. The komondor charged at him and put him on the ground immediately, stood over him until he got calm, then escorted him out of the house. Imagine me putting everyone in a room until they left and I could call the young back to seperate them again. Unfortunately he still doesn't understand but he's getting paralyzed and have to be put to sleep soon, this is our end of this. I hope yours will turn out different, but maybe the vet would also not help. The dobermann maybe wasn't socialized with his siblings, as he was found on the street very young, 5 weeks, so I think yours should work out the dominance order by themselves but please be careful around them. The trainer said never stop a dog fight, as it will make the other think it won or at least the fight had no consecvences and gave no chance to calm down, causing more frustration the next time.

 

[cassie]

Tell your vet about the issues with getting the one dog confined and have him give you a tranquilizer. Put the pill in some chunky peanut butter and she won't even know she is taking it. You may have to just make sure the dogs live separately. Spaying will help and tranquilizing the one dog will make it possible for you to get her to the vet.

 

[BirdsBeesTrees]

Tell your vet about the issues with getting the one dog confined and have him give you a tranquilizer. Put the pill in some chunky peanut butter and she won't even know she is taking it. You may have to just make sure the dogs live separately. Spaying will help and tranquilizing the one dog will make it possible for you to get her to the vet.

If we got Kipper to the vet to get spayed, I'm worried about them putting her in a kennel before and after the surgery. I seriously think that she'll hurt herself or someone unintentionally, or have a mental breakdown. It's like claustrophobia overload.
Would it help at all to have Sofia just spayed, since she's the aggressor?

 

[BirdsBeesTrees]

We have two boys, one is a dobermann mix 14years, other is a komondor 3years old. We had to separate them at 1,5 years of the small, because the dobermann is so dominant and can't understand it would be a bite for the other to kill him... It started as him playing rough, and humping (for dominance) the small all the time, and he didn't care at first but then the komondor lost trust in him. He's very protective of us, and decided the dobermann is a danger, so one day , when he didn't back off from us when warned and started growling, the komondor attacked. We got in the middle and it wasn't fun, even as a puppy he was super strong.
We asked for advice from the vet, but he said castrating the dobermann will not stop this. Then we asked a trainer friend, who said he saw our dobermann is not okay in the head and if he have some brains, he should understand that he's no boss anymore, just let them together in the garden for some hours. Actually never understood and they live separated since, for our own safety, as they started to fight around us because of the other 'protecting'. If we were not there, the komondor took all his stupidity with patience anyway.
The last fight happened when we had visitors and one of them didn't stop the dobermann entering the house even if warned. The komondor charged at him and put him on the ground immediately, stood over him until he got calm, then escorted him out of the house. Imagine me putting everyone in a room until they left and I could call the young back to seperate them again. Unfortunately he still doesn't understand but he's getting paralyzed and have to be put to sleep soon, this is our end of this. I hope yours will turn out different, but maybe the vet would also not help. The dobermann maybe wasn't socialized with his siblings, as he was found on the street very young, 5 weeks, so I think yours should work out the dominance order by themselves but please be careful around them. The trainer said never stop a dog fight, as it will make the other think it won or at least the fight had no consecvences and gave no chance to calm down, causing more frustration the next time.

What your saying makes sense to me.
I have 2 other dogs a neutered Rat Terrier who they both love, and my spayed older Cocker Spaniel who is to her happiness mostly ignored by the other dogs.
Sofia is submissive and sweet to people, but aggressive towards Kipper and has killed a few of our cats.

 

[Peaches Lee]

What you have is two dominant females. Spaying both would probably help some, but eliminate the problem?

I'm a pretty harsh auditor of the animals I keep. I would be looking at Sofia and seeing why I should keep a dog that:

A) starts fights with the other dog (which puts the other dog at risk and humans at risk while breaking up two large dogs in a fight) and

B) has killed multiple cats.

Dog bites get infected. Vet bills for large dogs are expensive.

Sofia is young enough to be rehomed to a person/family with no other pets where she would be happier and your pets would be safer and happier as well.

If rehoming is not an option, keeping them separate is your best bet. That adds a lot of management onto the entire family that will have to follow the rules--and people make mistakes.

Make sure both dogs are up to date on their Rabies vaccine. Not sure if your state works like this but in mine if a person gets a dog bite that is reportable (they've sought medical care) the Health Dept gets involved and will quarantine dogs with overdue Rabies vaccines. Even if you're bit by your own dog.

This is a tough situation and I wish you the best of luck..

 

[BirdsBeesTrees]

What you have is two dominant females. Spaying both would probably help some, but eliminate the problem?

I'm a pretty harsh auditor of the animals I keep. I would be looking at Sofia and seeing why I should keep a dog that:

A) starts fights with the other dog (which puts the other dog at risk and humans at risk while breaking up two large dogs in a fight) and

B) has killed multiple cats.

Dog bites get infected. Vet bills for large dogs are expensive.

Sofia is young enough to be rehomed to a person/family with no other pets where she would be happier and your pets would be safer and happier as well.

If rehoming is not an option, keeping them separate is your best bet. That adds a lot of management onto the entire family that will have to follow the rules--and people make mistakes.

Make sure both dogs are up to date on their Rabies vaccine. Not sure if your state works like this but in mine if a person gets a dog bite that is reportable (they've sought medical care) the Health Dept gets involved and will quarantine dogs with overdue Rabies vaccines. Even if you're bit by your own dog.

This is a tough situation and I wish you the best of luck..

*nods head*
Mastiffs are considered "puppies" until they are 2. I guess I've been holding out hope for her...

 

[JacinLarkwell]

2 dominant spayed females will still fight. Happened at our home with our neighbors too. We each had a dominant female that had been spayed as a pupou, they could not be around each other. They got along fine with males, but no other females