All In/All Out, MS, & the state vet

[BlacksheepCardigans]

Sorry, I lost track of this thread.

The information I found said that MS and MG are no longer a significant threat to US broiler and broiler-breeder flocks due to the all-in-all-out and NPIP programs. I don't think any such statement would be available for pet hatcheries because they're such a tiny portion of US chicken production that they're not interesting to research. I know that commercial flocks are required to be tested for it. Smaller flocks may or may not depending on the state. I'm certainly not surprised that your NPIP doesn't require it; NPIP exists to stop the spread of pullorum and typhoid and AI. It doesn't exist to certify flocks as "healthy."

I think we all know - or I hope we all know - that without a clear test there's no way to be sure what you're buying. That's why over and over and over again the lengthy quarantine and "sacrifice birds" practice is recommended.

You're doing the right thing. You know it's there so you won't sell birds or eggs. Whether or not other people do the right thing is up to them and their consciences.

 

[speckledhen]

NPIP exists to stop the spread of pullorum and typhoid and AI. It doesn't exist to certify flocks as "healthy."

I think we all know - or I hope we all know - that without a clear test there's no way to be sure what you're buying. That's why over and over and over again the lengthy quarantine and "sacrifice birds" practice is recommended.

You're doing the right thing. You know it's there so you won't sell birds or eggs. Whether or not other people do the right thing is up to them and their consciences.

Agree 100%. NPIP's purpose was to protect the food supply, not to certify that a flock has no illness/carrier birds. The vast majority of hatcheries are NOT certified MG-free--hard to believe, but true. They are less likely to sell sick birds, generally, but there have been instances where something cropped up in their flocks and customers were seeing birds die right and left. The hatchery dealt with it and as far as I know, are back on track. I do sell hatching eggs and on occasion, chicks, and our policy is to cull for anything respiratory, which is the policy of most old-time chicken keepers. I don't want my birds to be the cause of heartache in someone else's flock. I commend you for being responsible!​

 

[MomMommyMamma]

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I think this is a large part of the problem. I do not think that I was alone in thinking that NPIP meant "healthy/disease free". It was not until this episode that it was more clearly explained.
Our plan is to keep this flock through the fall, cull them all, bleach, etc the coop and run and let it sit dormant through the winter. Start fresh in the spring. We'll go with only NPIP large hatcheries and hope that we're done with this.

 

[speckledhen]

No, you were not alone. I think both buyers and sellers get a false sense of security if the birds are NPIP. I'm not against it, but it just doesn't do what many think it does.