I appreciate the honesty.Gotta a lot to factor in cost of pens, up keep, feed, fence, traps if you plan to even try to range I mean the list could make a short book. And a mans time surely isn't cheap nor is a mans word if it is best to walk away. I'm not trying to be hard on ya brahma I've spent good money on junk I truly have it is hard to find honesty these days, but if ya find it your best bets to have that handy.