Americano Blue's musher/mushing chat thread

[charnic44]

depends on how hard they are working and weather. Each musher has a different feeding system. if you fish, have meat animals or hunt feeding will cost less.

I will be raising broiler chickens and we usually raise butcher hogs so I'm going to ask for whatever I can get intestine wise.

First "bold".... Yup.

Second "bold"..... Dogs are not herbivores. Dogs are not omnivores. Dogs are carnivores.
I really like whole raw feed. Fish is probably the best.
I knew a man from my homeland area that fished on Lake Winnipeg with his team of 7 dogs. His leader actually listened for the jig and was always dead-on.
Any how these dogs slept outside in the snow with no straw or anything. Sometimes out on the lake...on the ice.
They would haul as much as 21 tubs of fish. Each tub weighed 60-100 lbs. each night them dogs each ate 1 Tullibee.
I personally prefer Whitefish, guts and all, for my dogs. They're a bit bigger(3-4+ lbs) and have a higher fat content.
Unfortunately I don't have access to fish just yet. I'm kinda stuck with commercial petfood for my dogs. Better quality commercial dogfood is more expensive to buy but cheaper in the long run since they are healthier(less $$ spent at vet) and your dogs live longer(less $$ spent buying dogs) than when fed cheaper "filler" dogfood.
More protein and fat(from animal) content and less cereal grains. When my dogs work hard they require more nutrition as opposed to filler.
20/15 is okay if you can acquire meat and fat scraps with a bit of soft bones.
An dog in working condition weighing 85-90 lbs requires about 4lbs of meat, about 4-6 oz of good fat, 1 tblsp of rice to cook, a tblsp of good grade cooking oil, 1 cooked turkey egg, and 1/16 tsp of doggie vitamin/minerals to maintain a healthy working body. And that's for rec mushing. When racing the meat and fat ratio would increase exponentially.
It goes without saying, water is king/queen. Water rules. Water is life.
I always make sure my dogs are hydrated. They love fish soup.

I hope this is helpful

Very helpful. What do you mean by "good fat"? As in, fat that you would say, get off of a chunk of meat? Or other fat such as oils? Also, if I were to raise broiler chickens (they're cheap and only take 7 weeks) and each were about 5 pounds, could I just cut the bird in half and freeze it to then feed it later? I think my dogs would be lighter than 85-90 pounds (more like 60-70 pounds ((either Alaskans or Sibes)). Plus the oil, rice, fat and egg, of course.

 

[SternRose]

Sibs are around 40-50lbs Nala's 45lbs

 

[SternRose]

What do you want?

I want both, but I guess rabbit just a little more then mushing.

 

[charnic44]

Sibs are around 40-50lbs Nala's 45lbs

Oops, my mistake. Thanks.

 

[RezChamp]

I will be raising broiler chickens and we usually raise butcher hogs so I'm going to ask for whatever I can get intestine wise.
Very helpful. What do you mean by "good fat"? As in, fat that you would say, get off of a chunk of meat? Or other fat such as oils? Also, if I were to raise broiler chickens (they're cheap and only take 7 weeks) and each were about 5 pounds, could I just cut the bird in half and freeze it to then feed it later? I think my dogs would be lighter than 85-90 pounds (more like 60-70 pounds ((either Alaskans or Sibes)). Plus the oil, rice, fat and egg, of course.

Glad it's helpful.
Good fat....to me is nice clean white fat full of oils. Fish is loaded with it as are lard pigs. But I like the fat from wild game. Even I eat it. Broiled over hot coals till crisp on the outside and warm and juicy.....mmmmmmmm. Good survival food too. Loads and loads of energy. Did y'all know that my human body burns fat to keep warm. A wonderful low fat diet as prescribed and endorsed by an educated dietician just about killed me with skinnyness. I kinda figured that but needed proof for the ejamikated know-it-all.
Broilers??? There is a little bone on the drumstick part of the leg that looks like a tooth pick with one fatter end. It's bendy. It could actually kill your dog. My people used to use them kinda bones to wrap in fat then freeze and kill whatever, wolves, coyotes, marten, otter, fisher, essentially anything that would eat it.
I had initially written/typed the whole process but it looked a tad graphic. If anyone wants to know PM me.
Anyhow......the original Sibe weighed upwards of 50-60 lbs in working weight. To be more accurate, the males. The females where 5-15 lbs lighter, and more slenderly built. The females were also a little lighter on their feet and more apt to run as opposed to the fast trot of the males. I believe today's Irish standards "cookie-cutter" Sibe is a bit lighter.
I noticed lately A LOT of "pure bread siberian husky for sale" are stout of mouth and large of body. Looks to me like someone put Alaskan Malamute into them somewhere not to far back.

I think the Alaskan Husky tends to have a wider range of weights. Something like 30-70 lbs because its it's far from being a standardized breed. Actually not unlike the old style but nonetheless genetically pure Qimmiq that could range in size from a small female weighing 45 lbs and a large male weighing 90-100 lbs.
Ya, I know, "gabby old man" .

TTFN

 

[RezChamp]

Gota go. Battery gona die. Back later.

 

[charnic44]

Glad it's helpful.
Good fat....to me is nice clean white fat full of oils. Fish is loaded with it as are lard pigs. But I like the fat from wild game. Even I eat it. Broiled over hot coals till crisp on the outside and warm and juicy.....mmmmmmmm. Good survival food too. Loads and loads of energy. Did y'all know that my human body burns fat to keep warm. A wonderful low fat diet as prescribed and endorsed by an educated dietician just about killed me with skinnyness. I kinda figured that but needed proof for the ejamikated know-it-all.
Broilers??? There is a little bone on the drumstick part of the leg that looks like a tooth pick with one fatter end. It's bendy. It could actually kill your dog. My people used to use them kinda bones to wrap in fat then freeze and kill whatever, wolves, coyotes, marten, otter, fisher, essentially anything that would eat it.
I had initially written/typed the whole process but it looked a tad graphic. If anyone wants to know PM me.
Anyhow......the original Sibe weighed upwards of 50-60 lbs in working weight. To be more accurate, the males. The females where 5-15 lbs lighter, and more slenderly built. The females were also a little lighter on their feet and more apt to run as opposed to the fast trot of the males. I believe today's Irish standards "cookie-cutter" Sibe is a bit lighter.
I noticed lately A LOT of "pure bread siberian husky for sale" are stout of mouth and large of body. Looks to me like someone put Alaskan Malamute into them somewhere not to far back.

I think the Alaskan Husky tends to have a wider range of weights. Something like 30-70 lbs because its it's far from being a standardized breed. Actually not unlike the old style but nonetheless genetically pure Qimmiq that could range in size from a small female weighing 45 lbs and a large male weighing 90-100 lbs.
Ya, I know, "gabby old man" .

TTFN

Okay, the fat I can get (the butcher isn't too far away and we usually take hogs there). Fats are lipids, and good lipids have a lot of energy in them as well as some other vitamins (thank you, health teacher ). With the chickens, I could either take off as much meat as possible, or just slice the drumstick open to get to the sharp bone (I don't know why I didn't think of that, we always tear the sharp bone off when we give our dogs the bones). I didn't know about tha sharp bone in fat thing. Maybe I should try that with the coyotes that hang around the back pasture every night.... It's sad how much huskies today changed from the original husky. Back then, there wasn't a specific breed, it was just a northern breed that could pull. Now there's like 15 different northern breeds that can pull. You aren't gabby, just informative. I'm glad you are here to help.

 

[Americano Blue]

I will be raising broiler chickens and we usually raise butcher hogs so I'm going to ask for whatever I can get intestine wise.
Very helpful. What do you mean by "good fat"? As in, fat that you would say, get off of a chunk of meat? Or other fat such as oils? Also, if I were to raise broiler chickens (they're cheap and only take 7 weeks) and each were about 5 pounds, could I just cut the bird in half and freeze it to then feed it later? I think my dogs would be lighter than 85-90 pounds (more like 60-70 pounds ((either Alaskans or Sibes)). Plus the oil, rice, fat and egg, of course.

I think he means fat from meat. Oil fat like what you use for cooking does do the same. I just de-bone then freeze. They love it frozen.

I don't know much about sibs but the goal weight for a healthy Alaskan is 40-55lb. However that doesn't mean if you have a heavier dog he or she won't do well. Meringue is only 36lb and is awesome. The main thing is if you have a heavy dog, make sure it's muscle and not fat. Dogs that are fat (Often like pet dogs) are at risk for joint problems. The extra weight pushes against the joints and hurts the joints.

My dogs eat natural oils now and then (Like some from fish) but not alot. My 4-h dog(s) get some sunflower oil or vegetable oil in their food to make their coats shinny.

 

[Americano Blue]

Glad it's helpful.
Good fat....to me is nice clean white fat full of oils. Fish is loaded with it as are lard pigs. But I like the fat from wild game. Even I eat it. Broiled over hot coals till crisp on the outside and warm and juicy.....mmmmmmmm. Good survival food too. Loads and loads of energy. Did y'all know that my human body burns fat to keep warm. A wonderful low fat diet as prescribed and endorsed by an educated dietician just about killed me with skinnyness. I kinda figured that but needed proof for the ejamikated know-it-all.
Broilers??? There is a little bone on the drumstick part of the leg that looks like a tooth pick with one fatter end. It's bendy. It could actually kill your dog. My people used to use them kinda bones to wrap in fat then freeze and kill whatever, wolves, coyotes, marten, otter, fisher, essentially anything that would eat it.
I had initially written/typed the whole process but it looked a tad graphic. If anyone wants to know PM me.
Anyhow......the original Sibe weighed upwards of 50-60 lbs in working weight. To be more accurate, the males. The females where 5-15 lbs lighter, and more slenderly built. The females were also a little lighter on their feet and more apt to run as opposed to the fast trot of the males. I believe today's Irish standards "cookie-cutter" Sibe is a bit lighter.
I noticed lately A LOT of "pure bread siberian husky for sale" are stout of mouth and large of body. Looks to me like someone put Alaskan Malamute into them somewhere not to far back.

I think the Alaskan Husky tends to have a wider range of weights. Something like 30-70 lbs because its it's far from being a standardized breed. Actually not unlike the old style but nonetheless genetically pure Qimmiq that could range in size from a small female weighing 45 lbs and a large male weighing 90-100 lbs.
Ya, I know, "gabby old man" .

TTFN

yeah thats basically the range for Alaskans.

 

[Americano Blue]

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