ancona ducks not a tue breed??? no one wants to answer this?

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i have heared that some people do not believe that they are actually their own breed, but thats all i know, im wondering what all the controversy is, ive got anconas comming from cackle.....my first ducks...weve done plenty of chickens, but this is my first time with ducks and all i remember from childhood is stay away from the big white ones. and do not go in the goose house.
but thats from when i was like 8 so .................. but really whats the deal with the ancona controversy. i just have to know!
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They are a real breed. just because the APA recognize them doesn't mean they aren't a breed. IF holderread breeds them they might not be recognized but they will be some day.
 
Some people think they're just an offshoot of magpies. They came from the same parent stock from what I've read.
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eh...who cares what people think...
if ya like the breed, get 'um.
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Where have you heard controversy about them? Did you see something online? If so, please pass along the link as I would love to see the opinions of others that have studied their development. To me, I simply don't get the fuss I often see about duck breeds in general. At the end of the day, they are ALL selectively bred Mallards (Mallard breeds, not Muscovy). Most of the popular breeds (Mallard derived) are simply mixes of the original few domestic varieties that were developed by selective breeding.

I have also come to realize that there is a lot of "horse trading" in the duck world, LOL. I am not going to go into much more detail on that, but I do believe this applies to Anconas as well. It should be obvious to anyone that has studied the breeds and the development of the duck colors that Anconas are mismarked Magpies. I even have found an old reference (from one of the major duck breeders of the last century) to Magpies that hatch in a broken pattern and how breeders should come up with a different name for them so people don't think it is acceptable for Magpies to look like that.

Now, I can think of *plenty* of reasons why someone would say they are *not* Magpies, not the least of which is how irrational people get about terms like "pure", "true", "purebred", etc.... all terms that, to me, mean almost nothing when applied to domestic ducks (just my opinion). The development of breeds is something that anymore I am reluctant to even engage in conversation about because people go irate and think you are saying something you are not. Just realize though that new breeds typically do not materialize out of thin air. They are developed by a number of methods including mixing other older breeds (how *most* domestic ducks were developed) or selective breeding from variations of existing breeds. The Ancona is no exception.
 
Interestingly enough Holderreads isnt breeding them this year. They just sold off all of their breeding stock. We had some ordered for spring delivery but they just let us know they wouldnt have them. I'm not sure if that is temporary or if that will be permanent. Anconas are an awsome duck. They were the first kind we ever had and hopefully I will get some eggs from a local breeder this summer to hatch some for ourselves.
 
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Ah...well, thank you! I am glad to know somebody does! LOL. I hope it is that "great minds think alike" not "the blind leading the blind"! LOL, just kidding.
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I just don't "get" all the fuss over things like "true" and "pure" in the world of ducks. They are *all* Mallards in the truest since of the species (and a lot of modern duck breeds are *very* new comparatively. Of course, this doesn't account for the often cited Muscovy, but I don't consider Muscovies to be a "domestic" breed anyway. They are a "domesticated" breed and there is a difference, IMHO). Almost all of the current "breeds" are mixes of older "breeds" (even ones that try to claim not to be in some cases). That is just the reality of it.

The one common thread I have seen in my research over the last year (as I have searched for what will be my Honor's thesis) is that most of the big name breeders of the last hundred years were very much so breeding for utility. Most of them had downright disdain for standardization, showing, and the breeding of "pure" stock. They were breeding for a practical purpose, whether that was eggs, meat, or both. They were *not* breeding for the pet owner or the breeder that breeds more for the "breeder market" (something too complex to really even go into here). Of course, some did exhibit their birds, but even the purpose for that was to some extent different back then. It is really neither here nor there anyway because the breeds that became truly popular are those that were created as purely utility oriented breeds. Oftentimes, the only difference between a "mixed breed" and an "exciting new breed" is simply the person doing the promoting.
 

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