It seems Cackle is having a bad goose year. But my DD really had her heart set on a pair of Africans. My problem is, 1) we have a budget and 2) I can't order a bunch of goslings or ducklings just to keep her geese warm. Not that I'd mind having them, but we ordered 50 chicks that the geese were supposed to be shipped with (Cackle sent lovely, healthy chicks btw, not one loss, no runts or poor doers) and we are kind of full. If there is anyone within 50 miles of 72565 that is ordering from Metzers or anyplace that still has African geese available, I'd love to split an order. Well, anyplace but Holderreads, I can't afford geese from there I'm afraid. Not that we'll be doing much breeding or any showing. Can anyone tell me what Ideal's Africans look like? I could get a pair from there without having to order too many more birds, but they say on their website that the Africans and the brown Chinese are basically the same bird and they have the same weights listed for them. I don't need show quality, but we would like actual Africans. Thanks for any help!