Araucana thread anyone?

[Illia]

Mine came out of a Splash C male x Blue C females. (C for cuckoo)

The closest you could say in the calculators is simply a splash barred female.

That's the funny thing about splash cuckoos. . . A lot of people have them and just don't realize it, since they look so much like a White Araucana with a little bit of blue lacing. Gary Ramey's breedings throw a LOT of splash cuckoos, especially in the chicks he sells. The next most common are his colored blues and his blue cuckoos.

Wish I got more duckwings from him.

I got one female, a very pretty silver, and a terribly colored, tiny, clean faced, yellow legged, bratty male as well as a clean faced, yellow legged, huge golden duckwing male whom both I ended up culling.

The golden duckwing didn't stop there though. . . He snuck his genes into a couple of my Olive Eggers, and surprise surprise, I've got an OE pullet and cockerel who are half Duckwing Araucana, half Wheaten Marans.

 

[smoothmule]

Bred to black then, wouldn't you see some regular cuckoo barring in black ?

 

[star2525]

It's sex linked barring, the barred pullet bred to a black cockrel (best pick of feather color to use) would produce barred cockrels, that Rooster pictured bred to a Black Hen would produce Barred Pullets, sex linked barring. That's how Jocelyn explained it to me at the time.

Victoria

 

[star2525]

It is also said that some White birds hide pattern genes and can also hide barring genes as you can't see it in their feathers.

Jocelyn is real good at explaining this, I think she said it had something to do with Dominiques being in their distant past, pretty sure that was what she said, she could explain it better.

Victoria

 

[star2525]

At the time I was hoping that pullet had a cockrel as he would have been barred and the woman couldn't keep any Roosters, even though it would have been a Bantam I could have bred it to one of my Black Hens to get Barred pullets, I would have to have bred for a few years to get away from the Bantam size to Large Fowl, hated it when all those chicks hatched as solid colored pullets.

Victoria

 

[star2525]

I had a pullet once from Gary and it started out as solid black then it started getting sort of Birchen pattern to the neck, then it kept changing and the breast turned white with gold lacing on the white feathers was very pretty, I sent the picture of her at the time to Jocelyn and she said it was almost Quail in pattern, and she sent me a picture of one of her hens that looked almost identical to the bird I had. She told me at the time what the breeding was from, that's another picture I have stored on my Computer.

Anyone can email me if they want to.

Victoria

 

[smoothmule]

I already know about the sex linked barred's. I have cuckoo maran hens and sometimes set their eggs, the chicks are Araucana crosses. They are sex linked.

I'm talking about how black and blues and splashes are connected so if you have a hen that is blue splash cuckoo and was bred to a black rooster, wouldn't there be the possibilities of some of them being black cuckoo cockerels? It seems to me that if they're actually cuckoo/barred, there would be more of the ones where you could actually see the barring.

Do you have some chick photo's of the blue splash cuckoo? I feel I'm missing something here. I'm not saying you're wrong, just trying to understand how it works and why it doesn't act like other cuckoo/barred colors. I'm going to have to try crossing my splash rooster to my cuckoo maran hens and see what I get. Won't be blue though, I'm getting enough roosters that Surely, lol, I have something to make what you're talking about.

 

[star2525]

Not sure if the Marans breeding for Blacks, Blues and Splashes would apply or not, you know what I mean about breeding Black to Blue and 50/50, trying to remember I saw them post it on the Marans site, Blue to Blue you get Blue and Splash, I know someone from the Marans group told me they bred Splash to Cuckoo and produced Blue Cuckoos then they said they kept breeding the Blue Cuckoos and eventually got Solid Blues without the barring. I forget what it was for Splash to Black, I think it was Blue and Black but not certain, I'd have to go back and find Charles Logans post.

And I think we are talking about two different things, I was saying using the Rooster in Illias picture bred to a Black Hen you would get Barred pullets. I don't think the Black cockrels would get the barring gene. At the time I wanted a barred cockrel from that woman and she only hatched out pullets I asked Jocelyn if the pullets could have the barring gene and pretty sure she told me no.

Victoria

 

[pokey]

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I am guessing splash also,but I am curious what the red will do.its probably just leakage,but I have never seen leakage look like a sheen before.

 

[smoothmule]

I didn't say that about Marans but in general, the blue gene works the same for all breeds or should at least if it's the real blue gene. I was talking about the blue, black and splash Araucana's. If you have a simple splash Araucana and you bred it to a black, you would get ( and I was wrong about getting black from that cross) As a refresher for myself.....
A Splash X Splash gives 100% Splash.
A Blue X Black gives 50% Black & 50 % Blue.
A Splash X Black gives 100% Blue.
A Splash X Blue tends to give a lighter Blue.
A Black X Blue tends to give a darker Blue.

Still, if they are splash, to black you would get all blue barred cockerels which might not be noticeable but many people breeding the blue and splash also use black to keep the darker color so why are there not more black cuckoo's then? Just wondering..... I thought barring was pretty dominant but I'm probably missing something here. It doesn't seem like it should disappear so easily with a couple generations of breeding. I'm still learning the basics though so I question everything till it's set in my mind.