Are these candy corn

[BigBlueHen53]

Now we need pics of chickens with these feathers. Like, um ... a Bielfelder? Is double laced, I think? But I gotta go, hopefully I'll see these tomorrow!

 

[Somewhere_In_The_Clouds]

Now we need pics of chickens with these feathers. Like, um ... a Bielfelder? Is double laced, I think? But I gotta go, hopefully I'll see these tomorrow!

I have double laced Barnevelders but not many photos that decently show their lacing (They were also moulting in that last one) I could try to get some good ones a bit later

 

[HorseGirlAbby]

Oh ok, I never understood the barring but now I do! This helped me a lot. So if double barring is thicker white, what is double lacing? Is that a thicker black edge on the feathers, if we were talking about the silver laced hen in the picture you provided? And are candy corn laced or barred? Can they be either mine?

@Somewhere_In_The_Clouds provided a super good image of double lacing, and I see that helped you.

When we’re talking about candy corn Polish, they’re actually both laced and barred (barred is also called cuckoo in some breeds, like Polish, just to make it more confusing.) If you look closely at their feathers, you should be able to see the white lines that indicate barring as well as a laced edge on the feather.

I zoomed up on the photo of your pullet to see if I could find examples.

The lacing is the black tip on the feather. Her lacing isn’t very defined, but that’s probably because she has a lot of other things going on color-wise that muddle it a bit.

Now we need pics of chickens with these feathers. Like, um ... a Bielfelder? Is double laced, I think? But I gotta go, hopefully I'll see these tomorrow!

Bielefelders are actually crele, which is basically gold cuckoo, or gold barred. Partridge hens, like Barnevelders, are double barred.

This is my Nessie a few days before she passed, she was a beautiful Barnevelder.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

@Somewhere_In_The_Clouds provided a super good image of double lacing, and I see that helped you.

When we’re talking about candy corn Polish, they’re actually both laced and barred (barred is also called cuckoo in some breeds, like Polish, just to make it more confusing.) If you look closely at their feathers, you should be able to see the white lines that indicate barring as well as a laced edge on the feather.

I zoomed up on the photo of your pullet to see if I could find examples.
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The lacing is the black tip on the feather. Her lacing isn’t very defined, but that’s probably because she has a lot of other things going on color-wise that muddle it a bit.

Bielefelders are actually crele, which is basically gold cuckoo, or gold barred. Partridge hens, like Barnevelders, are double barred.

This is my Nessie a few days before she passed, she was a beautiful Barnevelder.
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So are candy corn both? Barred and laced? Or does it depend what the parents are and what it’s bred to?

 

[HorseGirlAbby]

So are candy corn both? Barred and laced? Or does it depend what the parents are and what it’s bred to?

To get a candy corn Polish, you breed a gold laced and a cuckoo together. The resulting offspring are both barred and laced at the same time. So yes, all candy corns are both barred and laced, because those are the only parents you can breed to get candy corns.

I’m not exactly sure about what you will get from crossing a cuckoo and a gold laced in the first generation, or even the second, because that’s a lot of genes at play, and I’m not near smart enough to know what they would be. If you have a pair of candy corns, you’ve got a good start, because they do breed true.

 

[NatJ]

From what I know and have read, candy corn is created by crossing a gold laced Polish with a cuckoo Polish.

If you cross those, you will get chicks that look cuckoo, and maybe some that look all black (depends on which color was the father vs. the mother.)

If you take one one of those crossed birds that is black with white barring (cuckoo), and breed it back to a gold laced, you should get some candy corns. You will also get some black ones with white barring, some black with no white barring, and some gold laced without the white barring that turns it into candy corn. The "laced" ones may have poor-quality lacing until you spend more generations breeding the best ones together and choosing the best offspring.

I would love to hear your thoughts on what color you think these are. And if they’re not, could I breed them to something to create a candy corn?

The Buff Laced ones are not going to be much help in making Candy Corn Polish, because the lacing (around the edge of each feather) is white. That is caused by the gene Dominant White, that turns black into white. For Candy Corn Polish, you want that lacing to be black. Breeding out the Dominant White gene is probably more bother than it is worth-- I would suggest getting some Gold Laced to breed with what Candy Corns you do have.

The only real genetic difference between Gold Laced and Candy Corn is the barring gene. Since you appear to have a few Candy Corns, just breed them wtih Gold Laced and some of the chicks should be Candy Corn colored.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

So yes, all candy corns are both barred and laced at the same time.

Ok, that’s what was confusing me. I didn’t know they were both, I thought they were just barred.

 

[Polish and Silkies]

If you cross those, you will get chicks that look cuckoo, and maybe some that look all black (depends on which color was the father vs. the mother.)

If you take one one of those crossed birds that is black with white barring (cuckoo), and breed it back to a gold laced, you should get some candy corns. You will also get some black ones with white barring, some black with no white barring, and some gold laced without the white barring that turns it into candy corn. The "laced" ones may have poor-quality lacing until you spend more generations breeding the best ones together and choosing the best offspring.


The Buff Laced ones are not going to be much help in making Candy Corn Polish, because the lacing (around the edge of each feather) is white. That is caused by the gene Dominant White, that turns black into white. For Candy Corn Polish, you want that lacing to be black. Breeding out the Dominant White gene is probably more bother than it is worth-- I would suggest getting some Gold Laced to breed with what Candy Corns you do have.

The only real genetic difference between Gold Laced and Candy Corn is the barring gene. Since you appear to have a few Candy Corns, just breed them wtih Gold Laced and some of the chicks should be Candy Corn colored.

I do have a gold laced hen, so I just have to find a cuckoo rooster. I think I’m understanding a lot better now, thank you! I was super lost in the beginning.

 

[NatJ]

I do have a gold laced hen, so I just have to find a cuckoo rooster. I think I’m understanding a lot better now, thank you! I was super lost in the beginning.

Gold laced hen with Candy Corn rooster would be even better: that should give Candy Corn offspring and maybe some Gold Laced Offspring, but no other colors. Candy Corn roosters are supposed to be double barred (two barring genes), but the cockerels from a candy corn/gold laced cross will be single barred (one barring gene.)

But if your Candy Corns turn out to all be female, then a Gold Laced cockerel would be a good mate. That will give chicks with one kind of sexlinkage: sons with white barrng (Candy Corn but only single barred), daughters with no barring (Gold Laced). Cross a cockerel from that back to Gold Laced and to Candy Corn, and both matings will give 50% Candy Corn among the pullets and 50% single-laced Candy Corn among the cockerels. The cockerels with a Candy Corn mother will include some with double barring, and the cockerels with a Gold Laced mother will include some Gold Laced.

Candy Corn female with double-barred Candy Corn male should breed true (produce just Candy Corns.)

 

[Polish and Silkies]

Gold laced hen with Candy Corn rooster would be even better: that should give Candy Corn offspring and maybe some Gold Laced Offspring, but no other colors. Candy Corn roosters are supposed to be double barred (two barring genes), but the cockerels from a candy corn/gold laced cross will be single barred (one barring gene.)

But if your Candy Corns turn out to all be female, then a Gold Laced cockerel would be a good mate. That will give chicks with one kind of sexlinkage: sons with white barrng (Candy Corn but only single barred), daughters with no barring (Gold Laced). Cross a cockerel from that back to Gold Laced and to Candy Corn, and both matings will give 50% Candy Corn among the pullets and 50% single-laced Candy Corn among the cockerels. The cockerels with a Candy Corn mother will include some with double barring, and the cockerels with a Gold Laced mother will include some Gold Laced.

Candy Corn female with double-barred Candy Corn male should breed true (produce just Candy Corns.)

Ok thank you, I’ll see what my candy corns look like when they’re older and make sure they’re male or female. Then I can start looking for specific chicks that I can use to make candy corn. This was really helpful!