Aseel Sire Cornish/Rock hens as meat cross

[nicalandia]

Aseel from India/Pakistan is the ancestor of the Cornish breed(not to be confused of the ConishX), I have yet seen this cross used as meat cross in the USA the closest I have seen is for the Japanese Shamo crossed with BR, RIR and Leghorn in Hawaii in 1937, the Aseel is somewhat heavier than the Shamo but both have the same Asiatic game completion(broad shoulders and breasts). I plan to use an Aseel rooster over some Cornishx and Red Ranger hens


Here are some pics of the research with Japanese Shamo: https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10125/53841/CtahrpsAgExp81.pdf

Excerpt from the research "The Japanese Shamo Game birds have full, deep, broad breasts, indicating good meat-carrying capacity, an important factor in producing quality market poultry."

Some pics: The Hybrid on the left always for example the Shamo/BR hybrid is on the left, pure BR on the right next to it.

 

[Compost King]

I have had thoughts about using those giant sized game birds from Asia over a CX. I just do not want to deal with having a rooster like that though. I have some CX in the brooder right now and it looks like half of them are Pullets. If I knew someone locally who studded one out I might give it a shot.

 

[nicalandia]

I have had thoughts about using those giant sized game birds from Asia over a CX. I just do not want to deal with having a rooster like that though.

They have been bred to be very pugnacious.

I have access to both Aseel and Shamo they have such a wide breast and wide hips that I always thought that they would make good cross with heavier American/British breeds(that is how the dark cornish was created)

They kinda look like Dinosaurs

 

[Compost King]

The problem with those Asian game breeds is that they develop their fleshing so slow that their meat is tough by the time they mature. They also eat so much feed over time that its rather expensive to produce them as meat birds. If I were to cross them it would be a Fast growing meat bird... CX would be great the various freedom ranger types might be great too.
I could be wrong but Sir Walter Raleigh crossed an Aseel (could be wrong about specifics there) with an English Game breed hoping to make a beast of a breed for cockfighting but it ended up being a large breasted clumsy bird that turned out to be a great table bird. Thats how I recall it anyways and my recollection is not always the best.

 

[bigz1983]

Sounds like a good idea..
How about regular white cornish rooster over a cornish/rock hybrid?
Would that be meaty?

 

[Compost King]

Sounds like a good idea..
How about regular white cornish rooster over a cornish/rock hybrid?
Would that be meaty?

I want to put My dorking Rooster over a CX hen, The plumpness of the CX combined with the long deep breastbone of the Dorking. I already put him over Red Rangers.

I have CX in the brooder now and I am going to ration feed to the females for breeding.

 

[bigz1983]

I want to put My dorking Rooster over a CX hen, The plumpness of the CX combined with the long deep breastbone of the Dorking. I already put him over Red Rangers.

I have CX in the brooder now and I am going to ration feed to the females for breeding.

Sounds like a good idea.
I don't know much about the dorking breed.
I really want to get a 48 egg incubator on eBay and do some experimenting.

 

[bigz1983]

How did dorking rooster over red ranger turn out?

 

[Compost King]

How did dorking rooster over red ranger turn out?

Turned out great, very long breast bone rapid fleshing and Reached a decent weight in about 12 weeks. Most of them I dressed out much later because I wanted to see how big they get but eventually I discovered week 12 was the peak time as far as feed efficiency goes. I ended up crossing some of the off spring back to dorking and have 3/4 Dorkings that have so much more vigor. When I breed my Dorkings due to lack of Genetic Diversity only 10% make to adulthood. The 3/4 Dorkings really resemble Dorkings and a few more generations bred back to the Dorkings will lead to a healthier hardier Dorkings that are slightly larger and mature slightly sooner.

 

[FowlWitch]

They have been bred to be very pugnacious.

I have access to both Aseel and Shamo they have such a wide breast and wide hips that I always thought that they would make good cross with heavier American/British breeds(that is how the dark cornish was created)

They kinda look like Dinosaurs

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That's a cool looking bird! Very dinosaur-like, indeed