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Not to be rude, but do you really 'know' him? Have you had a conversation with god??? How do you know what he really is, if the only way to create a definition of god is to base it off of what other people and the bible say?
I have talked to god and reconnected with the ones I love who passed away it even saved my life once when my mom sad the words of god and prayed. I always talk to him when im praying. He is the one who shows me were to go and tells me red flags of a person.
 
If man was able to pervert it, then it was never perfect to begin with. Which means god is not perfect.
God gave our first parents the wonderful but risky gift of CHOICE. They could choose eternal life, through obedience to God ... or the alternative, obeying a different voice. The serpent, the devil, deceived the woman and she persuaded her husband. They gave their allegience to another. God honored thst choice, but the consequences were that they lost their right to eternal life. Death entered the world. But God loved them and already had a plan. He would come as their substitute. He would pay the penalty. They did not have to endure ETERNAL death if they would accept the Substitute in their place by faith. It really is that easy! Those that do not - one day they will suffer eternal death, but it is not an everlasting burning as most churches teach. That is torture and a loving God would not do that. They will be BURNED UP and cease to exist. It is a fire that cannot be put out, but it will burn out. There will be nothing left but ashes.
I’m not going to set it on fire and then magically make it so that it doesn’t die and has to burn for all of eternity.
So you see. God does not do that, either!
He could have made us a perfect paradise (like we strive to do with our chickens),
He did that! But unlike our chickens which are inherently stupid and we have to protect them, God warned our parents about the dangers and allowed them to make a choice. His kingdom is built on freedom and love.
be played by drinking the symbolic blood of a 2000 year old god.... bc a woman made out of a rib was convinced by a taking snake to eat from a magical tree? Why couldn’t he just forgive us? Why send a hybrid man/god to the earth to be brutally murdered in the most horrific way imaginable? What standard was god being held to that that was the ONLY way? There’s someone above him making the rules?
There is more necessary to make us "save to save" than just saying, "that's okay, no worries, you're forgiven, forget about it." Man was now fallen, at enmity with a holy God. His firstborn son murderd his brother. Heaven, even the earth, was no longer a safe place. Harmony was lost. Mankind became selfish. The first thing the couple did was to blame others for their decision. They had to be converted, changed, restored. They needed to have new hearts.
That’s folklore - and we don’t need these beliefs anymore now that we know the sun will indeed rise every morning. Now that we know that weather is caused by atmospheric pressure changes and not the angry and vengeful hand of god.
He is not angry and vengeful. Do you have children? Have you ever had to discipline child to save them from a worse fate? I have. I had to smack my baby's hand to keep him from playing with electric sockets (I know, now we put plugs in them). This was back in the Dark Ages, lol, when it was still legal to spank little diapered bottoms. Sometimes God had to get His people's attention. They worshipped false gods by passing them through fire. Think He was going to sit back and just "forgive" that? No way! He had to do something redemptive to straighten them out. When they didn't listen to His prophets He sent heathen armies against them. They brought it on themselves. He warned them; they didn't listen.
Now that we have medicine - we can replace superstition with science and use logic as our guidelines.
I love Science bc it changes its views and rewrites books based on changing evidence. Religion ignores evidence so that belief can be preserved.
This is my friendly rebuttle 😀 Please don’t mistake my tone as mocking or being a smart ass. These are my true feelings.
You made an excellent argument! Coffee and scones, anyone? ☕
 
God gave our first parents the wonderful but risky gift of CHOICE. They could choose eternal life, through obedience to God ... or the alternative, obeying a different voice. The serpent, the devil, deceived the woman and she persuaded her husband. They gave their allegience to another. God honored thst choice, but the consequences were that they lost their right to eternal life. Death entered the world. But God loved them and already had a plan. He would come as their substitute. He would pay the penalty. They did not have to endure ETERNAL death if they would accept the Substitute in their place by faith. It really is that easy! Those that do not - one day they will suffer eternal death, but it is not an everlasting burning as most churches teach. That is torture and a loving God would not do that. They will be BURNED UP and cease to exist. It is a fire that cannot be put out, but it will burn out. There will be nothing left but ashes.

So you see. God does not do that, either!

He did that! But unlike our chickens which are inherently stupid and we have to protect them, God warned our parents about the dangers and allowed them to make a choice. His kingdom is built on freedom and love.

There is more necessary to make us "save to save" than just saying, "that's okay, no worries, you're forgiven, forget about it." Man was now fallen, at enmity with a holy God. His firstborn son murderd his brother. Heaven, even the earth, was no longer a safe place. Harmony was lost. Mankind became selfish. The first thing the couple did was to blame others for their decision. They had to be converted, changed, restored. They needed to have new hearts.

He is not angry and vengeful. Do you have children? Have you ever had to discipline child to save them from a worse fate? I have. I had to smack my baby's hand to keep him from playing with electric sockets (I know, now we put plugs in them). This was back in the Dark Ages, lol, when it was still legal to spank little diapered bottoms. Sometimes God had to get His people's attention. They worshipped false gods by passing them through fire. Think He was going to sit back and just "forgive" that? No way! He had to do something redemptive to straighten them out. When they didn't listen to His prophets He sent heathen armies against them. They brought it on themselves. He warned them; they didn't listen.

You made an excellent argument! Coffee and scones, anyone? ☕
Your devotion is admirable...but your evidence is no more than one of 100000s of mythologies out there. Nothing about it or its source makes it any more true or false than the myriad stories ancient folks told each other for many reasons. It is no more likely than the animal gods of egypt or human-like gods of the greeks or romans. For some reason (see crusades) monotheism simply won the battle of believers a long long time ago. That doesn't make it the truth.
 
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