Barring gene questions- HELP! (pics)

[Sonoran Silkies]

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If there is Barring it is very faint.
Most of them are Spangled.

Chris

Or poorly laced. Chris, do you still have the photos of barred feathers that you put into your awesome thread?

 

[Chris09]

These?

From here https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=343605

Also there is this one

Chris

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Yep, those. They nicely show what barring IS.

 

[Tam'ra of Rainbow Vortex]

That's what their hackles look like, just really faint. But the barring is only in a few spots and is so indistinct it's hard to notice with the mottling being so vivid. Some of the barred feathers even have black or white (or both!) on the tips like they are supposed to. But still, the majority of the saddle/hackle feathers are striped.

 

[Chris09]

Tam'ra of Rainbow Vortex :

That's what their hackles look like, just really faint. But the barring is only in a few spots and is so indistinct it's hard to notice with the mottling being so vivid. Some of the barred feathers even have black or white (or both!) on the tips like they are supposed to. But still, the majority of the saddle/hackle feathers are striped.

Tam'ra of Rainbow Vortex :

But the barring is only in a few spots and is so indistinct it's hard to notice with the mottling being so vivid.

That's not Mottling.

Chris​

 

[farmerChef]

The first one(Cuckoo) almost looks Crele-ish

 

[phasianidae]

From here it appears that only the first one has barring.

 

[Arielle]

Have you considered test crosses. Perhaps that would settle the matter. See which rooster produces which patterns. Just a thought.

 

[RareBreedFancier]

Hi, I can help.

I have a roo who is clearly barred (he was supposed to be a pure barred rock but isn't) he has one copy of barring. I want barred offspring but he only passes it to half his children. If you don't want it it's easy to deal with. Keep the pretty roo or roos you want to use. Breed them and look over the offspring. If the roo does carry a copy of barring half of his children will not have it and you can select from them.

If you think neither of the parents of your birds had barring but some roos clearly do, check over the mother hens carefully. More than likely one of them is carrying it and passing it on to her sons. It can be very hard to see sometimes in females, especially on a hen with gold base and a pattern which is exactly what your breeding for. See below.

Thankfully barring is very easy to get rid of because it's dominant and you can easily cull any offspring that have it.

Also, it's possible to get faint 'barring' on feathers simply due to changes in diet or stress or other things when they are growing. That isn't true barring and usually disappears after the next moult.

Edit: Pics

Please excuse quality, my camera died and I had to use my phone. These birds have a lot going on color wise so I completely understand what you mean with barely there barring.

A barred gold pullet with some mottling. Her barring is very difficult to see.

Pullet left, the cockerel right. Both barred but it's much harder to see on the pullet.

These are all siblings, you can see only half have barring.

 

[juliette2009]

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If a rooster has only one copy of this gene, and passes it on to only half his offspring, will he pass it on to both sexes, or just the male offspring? I'm trying to get a barred girl from this boy, but so far no luck, only one or two boys showing any barring at all...If anyone has any suggestions as to how to achieve this, I'm all ears! Thanks!

Juliette