I have ordered from murray mcmurray the last couple times. Their birds are decent but as bluecoondawg talked about they ship on Fridays so they sit a little longer than optimal. Unfortunately it led to heavy losses, which they then replaced. Seems like my replacement order always does lots better than my original. In light of this I'm going to try cackle this year because they are considerably closer so in theory the chicks transit will be faster.