Bird Flu in Dairy Cattle

[Perris]

BurbMum was saying the quotes you attributed to me. I was only posting about the link not working.

oh, sorry; thanks for the clarification!
Edited to add: that's why I use quotations marks, to signal when I'm quoting someone else. Punctuation has a purpose.

 

[BurbMum]

Sorry, it was this, posted by BurbMum:

Globally, from January 2003 to 25 November 2022, there have been 868 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus reported from 21 countries.’

https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...-influenza/ai_20230127.pdf?sfvrsn=22ea0816_23
From what I understand it’s now just one mutation away… so if and when someone with a ‘regular’ flu also contracts H5N1, it will recombine with the ability to spread human to human.

Ahh sorry, I copied that link from an old post of mine and it looks like the WHO has updated their website to a tab format. This link should work.

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/influenza-h5n1

This is an update on where we’re at with mutations, I don’t understand it but Cindy is a scientist and also has chickens and horses up near the Canadian border.

The teen who contracted it in Canada supposedly did not have contact with animals.

(Edited to fix autocorrrct error & add last bit)

 

[Perris]

Ahh sorry, I copied that link from an old post of mine and it looks like the WHO has updated their website to a tab format. This link should work.

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/influenza-h5n1

This is an update on where we’re at with mutations, I don’t understand it but Cindy is a scientist and also has chickens and horses up near the Canadian border.

The teen who contracted it in Canada supposedly did not have contact with animals.

(Edited to fix autocorrrct error & add last bit)

I'd stick with the WHO, CDC, NHS and probably lots of other health services' and organisations' advice. H5N1 spreads between poultry units frequently by fomites - it's carried in unintentionally and unknowingly by people on their clothes and equipment and vehicles. The teen probably had contact with someone who had contact.

 

[BurbMum]

The updates are coming in fast, and the CDC is recommending full PPE whenever working with poultry & livestock.

 

[BurbMum]

It has already gone mammal-to-mammal in multiple species including elephant seals & sea lions, cats (in Poland) and minks and those are not likely related to chicken poop feed

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-53766-5

 

[Perris]

and what are they recommending doing with the manure from the cows in the same premises?

 

[BurbMum]

and what are they recommending doing with the manure from the cows in the same premises?

I have no idea… are there regulations to keep them from using it on fields of produce?

 

[BurbMum]

Plants & extracts with some some anti-avian influenza properties include echinacea, garlic, prickly pear, cacao, ginger, green tea, bloody geranium, Capparis sinaica veil, elderberry, cistus icanus, aloe vera, marsh mallow, nigella black seed & more

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10011005/

Others include:
Andrographis paniculata (Green chiretta)
Curcuma longa (turmeric)
Gynostemma pentaphyllum (Jiaogulan)
Kaempferia parviflora (Thai black ginger),
Psidium guajava (common guava)
Garcinia mangostana (mangosteen)
Eurycoma longifolia Longjack)
Tabernaemontana divaricata (crape jasmine)
Brucea javanica (Ya-dan-zi or kosam
Momordica charantia (bitter melon)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995764517306685

 

[Perris]

It has already gone mammal-to-mammal in multiple species including elephant seals & sea lions, cats (in Poland) and minks and those are not likely related to chicken poop feed

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-53766-5

that's a very interesting paper; thanks for linking. For those who don't enjoy this sort of resource, let's give the conclusions and draw attention to a few key statements.
"the H5 subtype perhaps is not capable of causing a pandemic26,77,78 ...
The implications of sustained mammal-to-mammal transmission of H5N1 HPAI viruses could be far-reaching, both from a conservation and a public health perspective. From the standpoint of wildlife conservation..."

The very fact that the implications for wildlife conservation (specifically, some rare seal species) take precedence over the implications for public health tells the reader that the latter should not be exaggerated. It is important not to cry 'wolf' here because one day there really will be a wolf and no-one will be listening anymore because of too many false alarms.

"In conclusion, the world has seen a concerning increase in the number of H5N1 HPAI detections in mammals since 2023, including notable outbreaks such as the one reported here. Amidst growing evidence that mammal-to-mammal transmission played a role in H5N1 HPAI outbreaks in dairy cows in North America57,91 and in fur farms in Europe92,93, the outbreak among elephant seals in Península Valdés represents another case where mammal-to-mammal transmission was potentially involved in the spread of H5N1 HPAI infections, this time in free-ranging wildlife. Genetic drift and shift in IAVs are stochastically-driven phenomena94, and mutations that increase transmissibility between mammals are more likely to occur in mammals than birds95,96. Therefore, the recent increase in H5N1 HPAI circulation in mammals is a warning that should not be ignored. Moving forward, HPAI management requires holistic strategies that recognize the interconnectedness of human, animal, and environmental health as well as safeguard biodiversity, promote sustainable practices, and enhance resilience globally to emerging infectious diseases."

 

[aliris]

Wow. Didn't realize this discussion had so exploded. I was just discussing it with dh - lot of molecular biologists in my orbit. And this morning I decided to implement some of this "biosecurity" protocol if for no other reason than "practice". We don't do it, there are tons of vectors about, and just learning to contain things is a large piece of the task in front of us. What I read last night does indeed seem to indicate some cause for concern. Even, again, just superficially -- if I were made to sacrifice my birds overnight I would have a very, very hard time with that just as a command. I will sit with an awareness of such an extreme possibility and learn in the very deep recesses of my brain to accept such an awful possibility. I don't want this. But getting some information-flow going seems pretty darned important. I'll look at all these resources later tonight. So much scary news out there....