Black Andalusians

[NYREDS]

The Farm Show is a fair & many fair poultry shows are set up that way. It's a fair thing not an APA thing even though some fairs [Farm Show included] have APA sanctioned shows. The NYS fair does the same thing but their breed list doesn't include all the currently accepted varieties-it's an old list & hasn't been updated. Check the Standard & the APA show rules, there's no mention of AOV.
I'm a judge & I've been showing for almost 5o years. I do know a little something about it you know.
I have never seen an AOV entry is a show that wasn't associated with a fair.

 

[amazondoc]

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Sorry, I can't do anything about what you may or may not have chosen to see. However --

"19. A.O.V. means any other variety in the APA/ABA Standard of
Perfection. All classes are based on the APA/ABA Standard of Perfection."

"005. A.O.V . Plymouth Rock
011. A.O.V. Wyandotte
020. A.O.V . American
029. A.O.V. Asiatic
030. A.O.V. Dorking
032. A.O.V. Orpington
034. A.O.V. Sussex
037. A.O.V. English
043. A.O.V . Single Comb Leghorn
..." (and so on...)

http://geaugafair.com/Premium_Book/Poultry_Dept_9.pdf


Here's a great quote from an old issue of "The Poultry Monthly" journal (vol. 16, p. 63)--

"Encourage all reaching out for the new. Meet in good-fellowship all fanciers, and invite the fancier to attend and exhibit his fancy at our shows. Give him and his fancy standing-ground by encouraging every show to make "Any Other Variety" classes in all the broad divisions of poultry, viz., Asiatic, English, American, etc., and also an "Any Other Variety" class, outside of the recognized division. Don't seek at shows or in the poultry press to ostracize fancies or fanciers by the howl, "It isn't standard!". Why, bless you, fanciers, the leading standard fowls of to-day -- many of them -- were not standard a few years ago. In fact, before we had a Standard all breeds were non-standard."

http://books.google.com/books?id=LL...age&q="Any Other Variety" poultry APA&f=false

 

[NYREDS]

Next year at The Farm Show ask Roland Romig to explain it to you-obviously I'm not doing a good job.

 

[Chris09]

amazondoc --

Here is the American Poultry Assn. classifications of breed for both Large Fowl and Bantams. Now your fair or farm show may have different classifications depending on popularity of a breed.
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/breed_classifications.htm

Chris

 

[amazondoc]

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Those are BREED classifications, Chris. We're talking about varieties WITHIN a breed.

"AOV" -- Any Other Variety -- is a classification used for birds that are of a color or pattern that is not recognized by the APA for that breed. For instance, many araucana breeders have birds that are not of an APA accepted color. As long as their birds meet other breed requirements (double tufts, rumpless, etc.), those off-color birds can still be shown under the "AOV" classification. That's a common thing for araucana breeders to do.

The same would apply to the OP's black Andalusian. Although black is not an APA accepted color for Andalusians, the OP's black birds can still be shown at APA-sanctioned shows under the "AOV" classification.


As the quote I already posted states: ""19. A.O.V. means any other variety in the APA/ABA Standard of Perfection. All classes are based on the APA/ABA Standard of Perfection."

 

[Chris09]

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Those are BREED classifications, Chris. We're talking about varieties WITHIN a breed.

"AOV" -- Any Other Variety -- is a classification used for birds that are of a color or pattern that is not recognized by the APA for that breed. For instance, many araucana breeders have birds that are not of an APA accepted color. As long as their birds meet other breed requirements (double tufts, rumpless, etc.), those off-color birds can still be shown under the "AOV" classification. That's a common thing for araucana breeders to do.

The same would apply to the OP's black Andalusian. Although black is not an APA accepted color for Andalusians, the OP's black birds can still be shown at APA-sanctioned shows under the "AOV" classification.


As the quote I already posted states: ""19. A.O.V. means any other variety in the APA/ABA Standard of Perfection. All classes are based on the APA/ABA Standard of Perfection."

But not all shows/ fairs will have a AOV class... If there isn't a AOV class for Andalusians where the OP is showing then they not able to show that Variety of Andalusians.
The other thing is some shows/ fairs do not pay out a premium to un-recognized breeds and or variety.

Just like at our county fair we have a class for all 7 recognized variety of Plymouth Rock but we do not have a AOV Plymouth Rock class so you cant show Splash or Black.
Now Wyandottes have a AOV class but if you show a un-recognized variety like a Blue Laced Red and win the AOV of Wyandotte we do not pay a premium, ribbon only.
But we still do show by ASoP with APA licensed judges..


Chris

 

[amazondoc]

Well heck, Chris -- I never said anything about winning premiums, now, did I?

ETA:

But not all shows/ fairs will have a AOV class... If there isn't a AOV class for Andalusians where the OP is showing then they not able to show that Variety of Andalusians.

Now this is something I hadn't considered -- that some breeds might have AOV and others not. I have seen folks involved in many different breeds mention AOV (just check the BYC archives for a lot of discussions involving AOV, for instance), and I'm used to it being used with araucanas -- but I never thought about the possibility that some individual breeds might not allow for it. Hmmmm...​

 

[karabbitry]

Well Chris and NYREDS I think this is a losing battle. To the Original Poster I would recommend calling your show secretary and asking what they would recommend for you to do.

For me personally I enter my birds by their variety so they get a fair shake with their own variety. If I were to enter them as AOV all "other" colors would compete in one class. This means that i would not know necessarily how they stack up. AOV classes tend to be common at the fair shows as it is hard to list all possible colors of every breed. For all APA/ABA non fair shows in the SW we use the variety, not AOV. This may be different in other areas (Apparently).

 

[Chris09]

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LOL

I'm just saying.. Not all shows/ fairs are going to have the listings..

I'm sorry I like the premiums the show/fair can keep the first, second and third ribbon all I want is the premiums, rosettes and trophies...

Chris

 

[Minniechickmama]

I did not mean to start a raucous here, folks. I believe at our county fair that we could probably take them. I know a girl took a pen of "blue" cochins last year and got a blue ribbon, but she had a blue roo and 2 splash hens. I think they gave her the ribbon based on the other qualities of her birds. Our entries are 'Standard Breeding Pen' or 'Bantam Breeding Pen'. I suppose we could take just about anything that is purebred under those headings, however, when we get to the State Fair it may be way different, and I have enough birds that we can have the kids take something else instead.

I think I am going to trust NYREDS here since they are a licensed judge for APA. That, to me, makes him the resident professional. I know that Blue Andalusian is the only recognized variety, so I think I will stick to showing only those and use the other two varieties to make more blues.

Cheers.
Please, don't let this little war going on. Agree to disagree and move on. For the love of Pete, PLEASE!