Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[geebs]

Chipmunks: Are we talking about striped birds? if so those are not wheaton.

About wheaton: Every color started from somewhere. I expect one could develop a nice line of wheaton from BC as it has been done that way lots.. What it takes to develop a good strain of wheaton?? I just don't know.. That may be a question for Snowbird. There is a thread that addresses them specifically.

I have not heard that Wade carried "chipmunks" but they are know for "sports" though it isn't actually a real sport (which would be a genetic anomaly). The wheaton are predicable and intrinsic to some lines... therefore predictable and ALL YELLOW.

The chipmunks not sure which line and I am not going to even surmise it... but it exist and is actually wildtype (golden salmon).

Here is a picture of golden salmon surrounded by BLRW's:

As adults they look like Welsummers.

Here is Wheaton female next to a black copper male:

 

[sonew123]

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well my BCM's are due within a week-so we'll see? MInd you, I've never had them before so It would be great if I knew exactly what I need to look for before they are almost adults! I mean great to spot bad flaws way ahead of time to weed out

Oh you can tell at hatch. Is that what you mean?

yes, at hatch time. SO I sell off the flawed ones and keep the good ones Most likely keep all pullets though as an egg layer is an egg layer to me flaws and all-I mean seperated out for my egg eating customers-I dont like to give any of them up if I dont have too.

 

[Goose and Fig]

I raise wheaten ameraucanas- i know they are yellow at hatch. Why was I thinking chipmunks?

Anyway- Sonew- if any of your BCMs hatch yellow.....

 

[pinkchick]

I'd like to know- (maybe Pink knows this?) can you get an occasional wheaten or blue wheaten from blue coppers? Is this where the blue wheaten marans came from?

No, you shouldn't get a Blue Wheaten from a Blue Copper. If it happens then the 2 different varieties may have been crossed unknowingly in the background, this has happened with the Black Copper and the Wheaten so it would not surprise me if it has happened with the blues.

Blue has been around in Marans and chickens for that matter since the beginning. Blue Wheatens were created by infusing blue into the Wheaten, using a solid blue bird crossed over a Wheaten, that crossing would have produced black, blue, wheaten and blue wheaten offspring. Illia should answer it from here as she knows more about Blue Wheatens than I do and can direct a person from here or correct me if I am wrong. sorry I couldn't be more help.​

 

[pinkchick]

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Oh you can tell at hatch. Is that what you mean?

Are all of the chicks supposed to look like this? I had some that were almost all black and they turned out to be pullets. feed me knowledge, I'm just starting out!!!! I know the pics are bad, I need to get my digi camera for some good picks.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/62656_img00060.jpg
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/62656_img00057.jpg

Yes, they should look like this but some may be completely black as you stated, I believe that it is just coincidental that they ended up being pullets. Chick down is not indicitive of mature plumage color, but it can give you tale tell signs and hints of what genetics may be in the background. My guess is the chicks that were black will not have enough color in their hackles upon maturity.

This is one of my favorite sites: www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html
on the first page you will see examples of chick down and a basic genetic rundown about how they look as chicks and the possible outcome as adults. The photos of the chicks are very helpful....it identifies the chick down pattern and lets you know what E locus they are based on.
Hope this helps.

 

[WestKnollAmy]

Try that link again. It doesn't work.

 

[pinkchick]

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Thank you Nadine!

Let me know if it works now.......I'm not very good at the linking thing.

 

[math ace]

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Try this:


http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html

 

[math ace]

Dang it PINK - - - you posted while I was coping and pasting the link!

 

[pinkchick]

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