Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[snowbird]

Both of my boys have the flames, Roy being lighter has more than Clyde. Here is a pic of Clyde showing better mahogany color, and you can see the flames in his hackles and saddles. This pic was taken in March of this year, despite what the pic says. I hadn't figured out my time/date stamp yet on the new camera. And yes, that is a white feather in his tail, although it did molt out since.

Debbi,, Take a look at some of the Lighter Copper colored males and you will see a much wider and pronounced flame. I have used a lot of of these Mahogany males . The father of these males was an even darker Mahogany Male.

 

[Debbi]

Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you Don, you are correct there. Clyde's other brother, Slick, had a more correct coloring in his hackles/saddles, and did indeed have more flames. He also had a wry squirrel tail, so he was sent packing!

 

[snowbird]

Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you Don, you are correct there. Clyde's other brother, Slick, had a more correct coloring in his hackles/saddles, and did indeed have more flames. He also had a wry squirrel tail, so he was sent packing!

Debbi, I did not take it as you disagreeing.

 

[Wynette]

I recall that conversation, Don, about the flames some time back. Can you refresh my memory, please - what is your theory on the width of the flame and breeding forward on, say, a dark female as opposed to a "normally" colored one?

 

[snowbird]

I recall that conversation, Don, about the flames some time back. Can you refresh my memory, please - what is your theory on the width of the flame and breeding forward on, say, a dark female as opposed to a "normally" colored one?

Wynette, If you remember most of the BC breeding females I was using were real dark to Black, the males I used had the larger wider stripe. I think also that the genetics of the individual flocks of BC has something to do with also. Last year out of over 200 pullets I would say at least 90 % had copper necks.

I have never worried about color on the breeder females in BC as I am a firm believer that the male has more to do with color.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Sorry Donna--I wasn't talking about your bird---he has very nice all over coloring; I was referring to what I see in some of MY birds.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Actually, I thought I was looking at the back from hackles to tail. Not every feather is of a brown hue, rather some feathers are beetle green. Perhaps it is there age and will molt out. We have never discussed , or that I have read , how uniform the coloring needs to be.

 

[Wynette]

Wynette, If you remember most of the BC breeding females I was using were real dark to Black, the males I used had the larger wider stripe. I think also that the genetics of the individual flocks of BC has something to do with also. Last year out of over 200 pullets I would say at least 90 % had copper necks.

I have never worried about color on the breeder females in BC as I am a firm believer that the male has more to do with color.

Don, were the males dark, also? Thus, dark male (with wide stripe/flame) to dark females, and the offspring produced the correct amount of coppering in the female hackle?

 

[Arielle]

OK i have a black cuckoo maran and she has something weird with her feaders i wanna know what it could be

Can you post a picture and a description of the problem--maybe someone will know.

Quote: Thanks Debb-. Will go check for ear tuff colors. THe nice thing about having a variety of birds is I can look at many examples. I do think my boys are not mahogany now that I see what mahogany is. I do like the color and have it some other roosters. It is very dark and handsome. My marans roosters are lighter, but without the straw on some anyway. LOL

 

[snowbird]

Don, were the males dark, also? Thus, dark male (with wide stripe/flame) to dark females, and the offspring produced the correct amount of coppering in the female hackle?

Wynette, The BC I was working with always produced all three color patterns in BC Marans. The males I used were borderline between the Copper and Mahogany. Now this was just on the Pressley and Jeanne BC that I was working with. Some other line a person might get completely different results.