Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[jaybobrenn]

Can someone please post examples of hackle colors in BCM roos? I've read several different descriptions (mahogany, flame, straw...) Im somewhat confused with some people liking them one way and others liking something different. I hope I don't sound too in the dark here. Just need a little clarification as im fairly new to the breed. Thanks in advance to anyone for taking the time to educate me. I realize digging up pics and posting them takes some time.

 

[Ripster]

ihilani - your thoughtful post is appreciated; you bring up good points, to be sure. Remember that this breed was only accepted into the APA in 2011. They are babies, so to speak. For ANY breeders to say "they breed true" is, in my humble opinion, a major overstatement. Again, this is just my opinion. I have been breeding & showing for many years now, and have relationships with folks who are among those who have bred them the longest of anyone in the U.S., and we all are in agreement that it will be many, many years before we really can say that they breed true.

I honestly see almost as much variance in other breeds that were accepted in the 1920s. I don't believe it's wrong to call your flock (and I have not seen them) purebred if you are sure that's what they are. I'm of the camp that if it looks like a Marans, lays like a Marans, BREEDS FAIRLY TRUE, it's a Marans. All breeds are composite breeds; even our beloved Plymouth Rock, which is one of the oldest breeds accepted. To think there won't be variances is just plain silly.

The fact that you are striving for proper type is fantastic - selling hatching eggs, chicks, juveniles, or even adult stock is fine, so long as you are honest. What you state in your post is honest - what more can someone ask? A buyer should do their research and be prepared with questions, and to know what to look for. Many on here (I know Don strongly disagrees with me, and that's fine - everyone is allowed an opinion) think it's purely the SELLER'S responsibility to inform the buyer everything they know about their flocks. My opinion, of course, tell folks where your flock originated, what you are breeding for, what you are working to eliminate, etc. But, the buyer ALSO has a responsibility to do their research and ask appropriate questions. I'll state one more time, this is just my opinion.

Thank you Wynette I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Zanna]

Thank you Wynette I couldn't have said it better myself.

X - 2!!

YellowHouseFarm just posted #16207 in the Heritage Large Fowl Thread that may help shed some light on all of this. Excellent post, even understandable to my pea brain as far as genetics goes............

Have fun and enjoy the surprises good and bad

 

[Wynette]

Can someone please post examples of hackle colors in BCM roos? I've read several different descriptions (mahogany, flame, straw...) Im somewhat confused with some people liking them one way and others liking something different. I hope I don't sound too in the dark here. Just need a little clarification as im fairly new to the breed. Thanks in advance to anyone for taking the time to educate me. I realize digging up pics and posting them takes some time.

It's a very good question, and though we have touched on straw hackles and the other end of the spectrum, mahogany. It would be great if we could post a pic of each, side by side, for direct comparison.

 

[Wynette]

YellowHouseFarm just posted #16207 in the Heritage Large Fowl Thread that may help shed some light on all of this. Excellent post, even understandable to my pea brain as far as genetics goes............

Have fun and enjoy the surprises good and bad

Here's a link to the post Zanna refers to, for those interested: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/400344/heritage-large-fowl-thread/16200#post_12238272

 

[jaybobrenn]

So using one of my roos for an example how would his hackles be described? Anyone?

 

[upthecreek]

Quote: You are absolutely Correct and "I Apologize" for everything i said and/or implicated that was out of line , that offended You , that put a bad light on this group or offended anyone else on this group .
I took a look back and agree completely with You ...... sometimes i wonder just what was i thinking at a certain time in order to say what i did .

I'm sorry and will try to do better in the future ,
Shannon

 

[Zanna]

Here is a Mahogany Cock:

 

[snowbird]

So using one of my roos for an example how would his hackles be described? Anyone?

He would be a BC with the blended Hackle from having some wheaten Marans in the background somewhere.

 

[jaybobrenn]

He would be a BC with the blended Hackle from having some wheaten Marans in the background somewhere.

So when you say "blended" you are referring to the halo then? I've seen people use "straw" is that by chance the same thing?