Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Chickengirl1304]

Can I have some critique on my boy here? He's BCM and about a year old

 

[snowbird]

Can I have some critique on my boy here? He's BCM and about a year old

Notice that he has a blended Hackle , White legs and white feathers in tail. All this goes hand and hand.The very light legs like this will usually cause you to have white in tail and wing.
I also see he has brown under body soft feathering

 

[maryhysong]

Notice that he has a blended Hackle , White legs and white feathers in tail. All this goes hand and hand.The very light legs like this will usually cause you to have white in tail and wing.
I also see he has brown under body soft feathering

Oh boy Don I so love it when you critic birds; I learn so much that I didn't even know to look for!

 

[Turkeytruff]

could I get an opinion on these 2 young roos? I am looking to buy one and these are the pictures sent to me. They are under 1 year old and still filling out. I will need to travel some distance to buy one so would value an opinion before I take that step. thanks! The second one seems to have brown on his bottom feathers but am not sure from one picture.....

 

[snowbird]

could I get an opinion on these 2 young roos? I am looking to buy one and these are the pictures sent to me. They are under 1 year old and still filling out. I will need to travel some distance to buy one so would value an opinion before I take that step. thanks! The second one seems to have brown on his bottom feathers but am not sure from one picture.....

I can not say anything good about these two BC males so will be very short with my critique. The backs are very short on both males. The underside feathers are brown on both.The first male has the blended Hackle. Both males are lacking in Saddle color. These males are not very good type wise and I would not want to ad one to a breeding program.

 

[Sahwithchicks]

What is a blended hackle? No lacing?

 

[snowbird]

What is a blended hackle? No lacing?

A blended hackle is where the hackle is yellow shading to Copper, 2-3 posts back is a perfect example of the blended Hackle. It signifys that there is more than likely some wheaten blood hiding somewhere.

 

[xlboergoats]

I can not say anything good about these two BC males so will be very short with my critique. The backs are very short on both males. The underside feathers are brown on both.The first male has the blended Hackle. Both males are lacking in Saddle color. These males are not very good type wise and I would not want to ad one to a breeding program.

I agree with Don on both of these males. They are a bit short backed and not very strong in type. Due to the brown underside feathers and blended hackles, I would suspect Wheaten somewhere in their genetics.

Males are 50% of any breeding program. A weak female, will only affect the progeny that comes from her eggs. The male will affect the progeny of every female he breeds. We always look for the best male that we can raise, find, and/or buy. With that being said, I think that I would continue to search for a

While we were in Newnan, we got to visit with some of the judges there. They brought up an interesting point about some of the faded hackles on some of the Black Copper males. I had never thought about it, but they all agreed that sometimes this was due to Blue Copper being in the background. They all said that sometimes the dilution that is involved in the Blue birds could and would show up in Black progeny later. It is something to think about.

JMO,
Ernie
Arp, Texas

 

[maryhysong]

I agree with Don on both of these males. They are a bit short backed and not very strong in type. Due to the brown underside feathers and blended hackles, I would suspect Wheaten somewhere in their genetics.

Males are 50% of any breeding program. A weak female, will only affect the progeny that comes from her eggs. The male will affect the progeny of every female he breeds. We always look for the best male that we can raise, find, and/or buy. With that being said, I think that I would continue to search for a

While we were in Newnan, we got to visit with some of the judges there. They brought up an interesting point about some of the faded hackles on some of the Black Copper males. I had never thought about it, but they all agreed that sometimes this was due to Blue Copper being in the background. They all said that sometimes the dilution that is involved in the Blue birds could and would show up in Black progeny later. It is something to think about.

JMO,
Ernie
Arp, Texas

I always think of the males as being more like 75-90% of any breeding program, because as you said, they are half of every chick you hatch and so spread their genes around a lot more than a hen does. That's one of the reason I bought so many birds to start off with, so I would have lots of boys to choose from.

I also think you are right on the blue mixed into black; but also when other varieties are mixed in. Look at the mess we have with wheaton cropping up everywhere and I have something that might resemble black tail buff (posted those boys on the general marans thread last week). One of the reasons when I started out I tried to find folks working with just the BCM and not mixing in blues. I know there are things several generations back in most lines, but at least I could avoid things crossed in recently.

 

[marquisella]

could I get an opinion on these 2 young roos? I am looking to buy one and these are the pictures sent to me. They are under 1 year old and still filling out. I will need to travel some distance to buy one so would value an opinion before I take that step. thanks! The second one seems to have brown on his bottom feathers but am not sure from one picture.....

Neither of these males have any traits that you would want to pass on. Please don't get either one.