Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[math ace]

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PrettyPoultry,

I don't see anything that would stop me from using this boy in my breeding program.
He has nice size and rich color. I would just be very selective what I paired him up with.
Don't pair him with super dark females.

Other than that, I don't think you can go wrong with him.

I am finding that my personal white feather issues are resolving themselves at about the 1 year mark.

Do you know if he came from a DARK EGG?

 

[PrettyPoultry]

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PrettyPoultry,

I don't see anything that would stop me from using this boy in my breeding program.
He has nice size and rich color. I would just be very selective what I paired him up with.
Don't pair him with super dark females.

Other than that, I don't think you can go wrong with him.

I am finding that my personal white feather issues are resolving themselves at about the 1 year mark.

Do you know if he cam from a DARK EGG?

He came from Donna bayhorsebonnie, bought him and some hens as an adults. I have since hatched lots of chicks and kept back what I thought was the best, and only hatched the darkest eggs. I will post a picture of the roo I hatched from him (very dark egg) and see what the thought is on him.

 

[geebs]

Debbi the experts agree... cull the white at adulthood. The breeding tactics for Sumatra's and Javas and other Black birds do not work for this bird... It is very complex, and made doubly so by the fact that we have lots of colors mixed into the line... that is just the way they come... We have to work it all out.. Bev has done a great job and you can look at her line to see what worked.. the babies do have the white feather or two but at adulthood very few remain... We have to follow suite with a correct breeding strategy for the Wade line.

 

[onthespot]

Hi Bev, my intent was not to insult. It is an observation of history repeating itself year after year with all my friends' flocks. I did not mean in any way to insult you or your flock, or your decades of hard work.

Some time when it is convenient, was wondering if you could weigh in on the dark slate roo legs, why that was chosen, when it is obviously a small minority of what exists, and how you address that in your flock. It seems to me that defining the birds as they mostly reproduce, would be better than tossing in someone's "ideal vision" of what they think pretty legs would look like on their roosters, would be a more likely way to get the breed accepted. I have a flock of birds hatched from lines people got directly from you, and the roos do not have dark slate legs. One roo is one generation away, the other is two. I am NOT bashing your breeding program, or your birds. They lay WONDERFUL eggs. That is what I got them for. They do not conform to the standard in shank color and there is a lot of excess white. I realize I got culls from others flocks, indirectly from your flock, but not far removed from your own breeding choices. Also, there are a lot of flopped over and bent combs. I don't care. I love them to BITS and sell a lot of eggs. Just saying, a standard should describe what they are, not some holy grail of improbability in the future. Why not write our standard to describe what we currently all have?

 

[Debbi]

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Well, going by the way Fugs looks at 7 1/2 months, that's old enough for me to cull. I can't see the white base feathers in the hackles going away, they are TOO profuse. The birds in this first clutch were supposed to be a Davis/Jeane cross.

 

[snowbird]

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geebs, In the future all my Marans that show any white any where after the Juve molt will be culled. The white may go away but the gene that caused it will not just go away unless you cull it away. I am a new poultry person so take what I say with a grain of salt. Don

 

[geebs]

PrettyPoultry
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I looked at your male and I see the same things that Math sees, however I will say this.. if you linebreed the male you will lose the copper as the generations go forward. He is on the dark side of thing... which means you need to select some lighter females to balance that... I have the same issue with two males I have from BHB... we probably have full brothers.. I will show you what I plan to do with it.. also mine carrries wheaton... just so you know.. I have test mated already... but doesn't appear to carry partridge ... I am still testing for Birchen.

 

[snowbird]

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I will comment on this as I think after over 50 year as a breeder I am qualified. The SOP is not in any way supposed to be watered down to make it easier to produce a show quality bird. The Standard of perfection should always be something that can sometime be accomplished but not easily. The SOP is something to work towards in your breeding program. What good would it be to make all Marans acceptable in the SOP ? The only thing I want is a standard and then we know what we have to breed for in the future. Don

 

[geebs]

Without the standard in place Don, I am deferring to the French... I figure their 100's years with THIS breed hold some weight... Assuming that one chicken is equal to another would be like claiming all fish are the same or all dogs... (Just my opinion here)... am just reading what is out there, talking to the experts and relaying information that is older than 50 year by a collerberative not a single person...If it is flawed it will show up.. I have been talking and working with ppl for a few years with just this breed. I will take the high road, you take the low road...Don I wish I had talked to you before I started breeding in general...It may have shaped the way I see things..... Currently I will lean on my own understanding that I have gleaned from my coaches...

 

[PrettyPoultry]

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Here is the roo I kept from him: