Black+White=Brown?

[suzettex5]

ACK! Im sorry, I dont think I ever addressed your original question! I am not sure if they came from the white hen. ALOT of black on black Jerseys will produce black chicks, but many of theose chicks have at least white wing tips (which goes away as the chick grows up), and to know you have a white hen, but NO white on the chicks at all makes me think the mom is not the white one. BUT I am sooooo not the one to ask about color genetics! Really, the Jersey Giant forum has a few pages with a list of colors and what to cross to get what color chickens, it may be the place to ask and look to get the best answers!

 

[Minniechickmama]

Here is why I believe they are purebred JGs:
I checked all the JGs that I got (10 of them) for the SOP characteristics in color, leg color, comb shape (some got some frostbite over the winter) and body type, and the ones that fit stayed and the ones that didn't got sold. I had some beautiful White Cockerels but their legs were slate, not willow. I had some nice looking pullets too with the same deal. I kept 2 hens that had the willow legs as they should have.
Do I think that there may some mixed blood in this batch, I guess I can concede that since I got them from Sand Hill and others I have gotten were not as they should have been (i.e. the White JGs I sold).



If I had a good picture of them, I would post it, but for now, this is all I have:

I appreciate y'alls input. I will keep an eye on that comb, but I am not as concerned about that as I am finding out more about the color thing here. If I get a brown or brown red from using a Black and a White, then I will hatch more of them. If I can't then these will be culled/eaten/sold.

 

[GotGame]

Your birds can show one comb, and still carry the genetics for another, same with leg color, feather color, etc....if you got all your birds from the same place, and some carried the wrong leg color, then that right there says they werent pure JG. It would be a fairly safe assumption to say that you can have a cockerel that shows correct leg color but carries the genetic potential to throw a different leg color, if the hen or cock he is from had an incorrect leg color. Basically, what it boils down to, is there is no way to know for sure, 100%, that they are what they are said to be, if you didnt do the breeding yourself.

 

[cubalaya]

actually, if they came from sandhill, then they are likely pure and from golda miller line. i have heard of people getting a few off colored birds, though. i wouldn't scrap your breeding plans until you try a few generations.

 

[Minniechickmama]

I won't be scrapping these, be assured. I LOVE this breed. The roos are very well-behaved, though his has stripped a few feathers off a couple of girls, not entirely his doing though. They are big and lay good sized eggs and consistently. I had a few roos and they were all good to the girls and us people. I will keep these around for the long run. They are also part of a meat project I have going. I have one who is this roos son out of a Welsummer hen and he is huge and filling out nicely. I think I will be crossing him with some of my Standard Cornish girls to see what happens in the next gen.

I forgot that Glen had that in the catalog too, that they came from the Golda Miller line. Funny thing is, I ordered Dels last year from them, but they were out so sent me the JGs, which were on my list to get this year anyway. I am so glad I got them. They are my first purebred pen. I am finishing my breeding house and then the others will have their pens too. I just hatched 5 or 6 ( I have been doing too much hatching to keep it straight in my head), and they will join this bunch in the fall, then I will be culling some to get a good number for winter. I think I can easily keep at least 2 roos since they have a good temperament toward each other. If I don't work on a brown red line, then I will have to just get me some Whites again somewhere

Darn the luck.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Single comb is recessive (actually hypostatic) to rose comb.

 

[GotGame]

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Single comb is recessive (actually hypostatic) to rose comb.

my mistake.....I think you missed the point of my post, although thank you for the correction...

Basically, what it boils down to, is there is no way to know for sure, 100%, that they are what they are said to be, if you didnt do the breeding yourself.

 

[suzettex5]

Mmmmmm!! I think your roo is very handsome! And I love the floating nesting box you have on the wall (how cute you got a pic with the hen in it! Love it!).


I am interested in your meat project, I have thought about eating my extra Jersey roos (I only have jerseys, btw) but I thought they werent big enough at the age you would normally butcher. Have you tried it yet? I thought by the time one got big enough, it would be too old and tough?

But it looks like you are planning to cross them with something else? Why bother? I've always read that Jerseys are sooo slow to put on meat that the industry decided not to pursue the breed as meat producers, so couldnt crossing them (even with meaties) just produce a slower growing meat bird?

Not being negative, I am really curious since I hate to give away or sell my extra roos if I could eat them! What age/weight would you butcher a JG?

 

[Bo Garrett]

Black X White can equal brown red if the genetics are there. I have a line of brown reds developed from this cross. As for the comb this can occur from time to time depending on the genetics of the parents. Giants were developed using several breeds some of which posessed pea combs so the comb on your bird is a possibility. Given the color of the down on the chick's head it is very likely it will be a brown red colored bird but this will take time to develop into the proper color, several generations.


Blessings to you,


Bo

 

[Chris09]

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There was only one breed that was used in the "making" of the Jersey Giant and that was the Dark Brahma the other two breeds were Single Comb.

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If by chance they are a Brown Red that that would mean that someone is crossing them then because there are no Brown Red Jersey Giant.

I will also say that I have been line breeding Both Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Red for 7 years and never had a Pea or Strawberry Comb come out in one of my breeding's.
Both Single and Rose Comb Reds have Light Brahma (Pea Comb) and Malay (Strawberry Comb) in there make up.

Chris