Black Wyandotte Genetics

[tadkerson]

He is a black wyandotte but the white/blue in the tail is a disqualification. The white could be from damaged feather follicles in the tail. When the bird molts, the feathers could come in black; you never know. If your blues do not have the problem with white in the tail, then the black should not have genetic problems with white/blue in the tail. I am thinking it is an environmental ( as in cell environment) problem an not a genetic problem. So I would say you have a self black bird.

Tim

 

[pips&peeps]

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I hate to argue with the expert; that is a possibility, but it doesn't seem likely since his full brother is the same way......

I've got his brother also and he has a little bit more of this coloring in his tail​

 

[cedar post]

pips&peeps :

I would think he is of mixed varieties. He also seems kind of narrow in the body for a wyandotte.

I can tell you he is of mixed varieties splash,blue and black. He and his brother are the worst quality for body type that I have. He would have been culled last fall if it wasn't for the coloring in the tail. As said it isn't the complete feather and will it become black in future molts. Also if a chick is born black in the bbs mating should it be al black from the first feathering. Most all of my blacks when first feathering have alot of blue or splashy looking feathers in their flight feathers. Anyways this rooster wil never be breeding in any of my pens because of his type I kept him and his brother just to see what would happen with them as for coloring.​

 

[blackdotte]

What is his undercolour, is it black to the skin, or white under thr neck hackles and greyish white on the body?
How yellow are his legs?
David

 

[cedar post]

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I think black to the skin. But i'll check tomorrow. Mike

 

[pips&peeps]

From the very little digging I have been able to do, I have found out that your black cock bird is a perfectly normal example of a bird used for breeding black wyandotte females.

Other black wyandotte breeders should have explained this to you. Apparently this odd abnormality is a result of years of breeding for show quality females. All the resulting males from a hen/pullet line turn out like this.

There is a seperate line for breeding Show quality males.

I hope I explained that well enough for you.

 

[cedar post]

pips&peeps :

From the very little digging I have been able to do, I have found out that your black cock bird is a perfectly normal example of a bird used for breeding black wyandotte females.

Other black wyandotte breeders should have explained this to you. Apparently this odd abnormality is a result of years of breeding for show quality females. All the resulting males from a hen/pullet line turn out like this.

There is a seperate line for breeding Show quality males.

I hope I explained that well enough for you.

Thanks for all the posting on this. Everyone Mike​

 

[cedar post]

Blackdotte, I checked the bird over better today here is a pic inside his hackle feathers. They start out dark or slate from skin and change. From some reading I've done last evening it says that this is not typical but in males it can happen and should not be a deterant in breeding them. It was a older book from the 1940's so I don't know if thinking on this has changed or not. Any thoughts anyone? Mike

Here is a pic of his hackle feathers. As you can see the feathers start out black change to a splash and back to black.

 

[blackdotte]

The under colour shows he is a puller breeder cockerel. He should produce black pullets with good black under colour, and bright clear legs. He will have an eb/eb (Brown/Brown) genotype. The pale greyish white undercolour & odd white feathers in the tail ( and the flights) can be ignored.

To get the correct colour in exhibition cockerels ,undercolour black to the skin and nearly perfect yellow legs you need very dark hens,that are black in under colour, with dark grey to black legs, and are often gypsy faced. These birds are heterozygous ER/eb (Birchen/Brown).
David

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

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That explains the odd colored pullets I got when I crossed two black wyandotte bantam lines, some came out black faced with black legs and all but the males were great.