Blood!!!!!!!!:O

[nnbreeder]

Get the Sulmet, even though it is advertised for swine it is the same. Cocci in hooved stock is called Scours or bloody scours.

 

[chickenlady]

Is the blood you see bright red? Or is it dark orange? I ask only because I noticed dark orange in some poop here and was concerned. I wish you the best of luck with yours.

 

[henmommy]

The poop I see is red. Just one dropping (not sure who it is coming from). At first I thought someone was fighting. I did get the Sulmet and put it in there water right away. Time will tell. Thanks to all. Good Luck to all.

 

[denahli]

I used Duramycin on my entire flock and put the sick one in a seperate 'hospital' brooder. The sick one died but the rest recovered


What i was told was that once you see the blood it is too late to prevent cocci, now you are just trying to keep 'em healthy enough to survive, and if they do survive they will have more resistance.

 

[tiki244]

Henmommy did you get it? Mine says it can also be used for swine, turkeys and cattle. It says Sulmet on the top, then sulfamethazine. And there is another one sulfadimethoxine(SP?) They are all good. I like the liguid its a lot easier and they get the right dose. Hope things are going well. Once they get treated they improve quickly, but without treatment they go downhill fast.

 

[henmommy]

Ys, I got it today. Put it in their water and made sure all drank. No one is acting "funny", but I wanted to be safe than sorry. Thanks again!

 

[HeirloomHeritageFarms]

Well, dhlunicorn, not to argue the point... but....I wholeheartedly disagree....We have used this D-Mannose in all stages with success....

D-Mannose is NOT a Prebiotic or Probiotic, it is an all natural ANTIbiotic used mainly for bladder infections..... but since it is an antibiotic (like GSE) it Will and does work for the bloody poo.

Works for us... since we only use all-natural remedies for the problems.....

henmommy, You will get as many answers for the problems as there are poultry owners..... it just depends on which way you want to go - all natural or synthetic; working with the body naturally or pumping chemicals.

Dawn

 

[mypicklebird]

D-mannose... how could this help with coccidiosis?

As I understand this product- a simple sugar, absorbed from the upper GI tract- filtered by the kidneys and ends up primarily in the urine of mammals- used in humans to treat UTIs, some vets trying out in dogs. It doesn't kill bacteria, it disables them by sort of sticking to them (works on E.coli well- the bacteria stick to the sugar instead of the inside of the bladder- so they get flushed out). I cannot fathom how this would help treat coccidia (not a bacteria) in a chicken. Chickens have very different kidneys, they don't even have the same components in urine as a mammal. Coccidia causes disease/diarrhea by invading into the wall of the gut, the sugar does not even end up in the same organ system in a mammal. If your birds get better with D-mannose added to their water, I think they were probably getting better on their own. In mild cases of coccidia (a protozoal parasite)- this is what happens- the host gets immune. I could be completely wrong, and love to learn new things, so if you have info to back up your anecdotal report- please share.
Jess

 

[dlhunicorn]

ditto the above.
D-Mannose is NOT an "antibiotic" :
http://www.life.umd.edu/classroom/bsci424/Chemotherapy/AntibioticDefinitions.htm

Antibiotic (Literal definition):
Against (anti-) life (-biotic); Often detrimental to host

Antibiotic (Old definition):
Chemical substance produced by various species of microorganisms that is capable, in low concentrations, of inhibiting the growth of or killing other microorganisms

Antibiotic (New definition):
Substance produced by a microorganism or a similar product produced wholly (synthetic) or partially (semi-synthetic) by chemical synthesis and in low concentrations inhibits the growth of or kills microorganisms

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/pouls...ngs/nutrition_conference/2003/ferket_2003.pdf

Antibiotic Modes of Action
Antibiotics are natural metabolites of fungi that inhibit the growth of bacteria. They function by altering certain properties of bacterial cellular metabolism resulting in impaired growth or death. Some antibiotics interfere with the building and maintenance of the cell wall, while others interrupt proper protein translation at the ribosomal level.

The link above is another good article with additional information (please share your articles too dawn !)
...another source in addition to the ones posted earlier re D-Mannose as Pre-biotic:
http://www.asaimasc.com/pdf/an30-2001.pdf
(excerpt)
PREBIOTICS
Another method which may be used to manipulate the gut ecosystem is
the supplementation of the diet with small fragments of carbohydrates. Such carbohydrates can selectively stimulate some
or all of the beneficial organisms in the gut, bringing about changes in the microbial balance which in turn affects the host in a beneficial way. These carbohydrates are also known as prebiotics in the feed and food industries. The net effect on host health and well-being is rather similar to that of probiotics. Potentially, there are hundreds of different prebiotics which are naturally available or can be produced from polysaccharides. The commercially available prebiotic products are mainly oligosaccharides
of galactose, fructose or mannose. For example, soybean contains 3-5% naturally occurring galacto-oligosaccharides and the
angustifolius lupin contains up to 9% of oligosaccharides. There is evidence that most of these prebiotics exert their beneficial effects
on the host by selectively feeding the good bacteria at the expense of the harmful ones. It is, however, claimed that the mannan oligosaccharides derived from yeast cell walls work by providing specific binding sites (D-mannose) to enteric pathogens, thus reducing their chance to attach to the intestinal tract (Finucane et al., 1999). Since mannan oligosaccharides are not digested by the endogenous enzymes of the bird, they pass through the gut with the pathogens attached. There is also a “cleaning up” effect, i.e., they detach pathogens already attached
to the gut (Newman, 1994)...."
(NOTE: the "pathogens " spoken of are not cocci organisms ...I would welcome any research specific to D-mannose and cocci)​