Blue Laced Red Wyandotte THREAD!

[ki4got]

Quote: for one, you're missing the fact of the mahogany gene that needs to be present for the blrw... some silvers may also carry a dilute gene to further whiten the silver parts...

gold to silver, yeah that would work much better. but not the red. lose your mahogany, all you have is a gold laced.

 

[malndobe]

for one, you're missing the fact of the mahogany gene that needs to be present for the blrw... some silvers may also carry a dilute gene to further whiten the silver parts...

gold to silver, yeah that would work much better. but not the red. lose your mahogany, all you have is a gold laced.

According to the genetics calculator the hens would have the mahogany gene, the roosters would be a golden color, looks like probably silver with gold/red bleeding into it. The hen would be Mh/mh+ though instead of Mh/Mh, is that a lighter color of red/mahogany or ?? Is that where the "orange" in the BLRW comes from? I'm trying to find examples of how the genes effect color on BYC but not having much luck so far.

 

[Fancychooklady]

I bought a " breeding " pair from a guy who says he has been breeding Wyandotte for 20 years.
I have 14 chicks on the ground. What I find interesting is that 3 of them look like slw and are obviously roos. I have 4 x splash, 2 dark and the remainder are quite red. So I'm thinking that he must have used silver in there somewhere.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: again, if the silver carries any dilute, you'll never know, and your mahogany reds could turn out anywhere from orange to buff. also if the parent bird is heterozygous he may or may not pass it along, and again if you have dilute involved, you'll never know which is which without test breeding each one.

regardless, it's a multi-generation thing. you'd be better off breeding a blrw to a good gold laced and improving the red from there. IF your blrw has the deepest mahogany possible, it might be worth it... otherwise, there are good birds out there, just buy some good ones and improve on them.

 

[ki4got]

I bought a " breeding " pair from a guy who says he has been breeding Wyandotte for 20 years.
I have 14 chicks on the ground. What I find interesting is that 3 of them look like slw and are obviously roos. I have 4 x splash, 2 dark and the remainder are quite red. So I'm thinking that he must have used silver in there somewhere.

post up pics of the parent birds? if the roo is more orange/gold than red, it's possible he's split silver (aka golden - different from actual 'gold') in which case he would throw both golden and red cockerels and silver or red pullets... but that's just a guess.

and as for 'breeding Wyandottes for 20 years'... yeah, but was he breeding QUALITY Wyandottes or just run of the mill whatever hatches gets used 'dottes?

 

[malndobe]

regardless, it's a multi-generation thing. you'd be better off breeding a blrw to a good gold laced and improving the red from there. IF your blrw has the deepest mahogany possible, it might be worth it... otherwise, there are good birds out there, just buy some good ones and improve on them.

I don't have a problem with a multi-generational project, but this is all hypothetical. I bred Finches for a few years and enjoyed studying the color genetics. Have bred dogs for years also (am into my 6th generation), although some of our color genes are much more straightforward, the genes I am more interested in (working qualities) aren't. But it's still interesting to learn about.

 

[Fancychooklady]

post up pics of the parent birds?  if the roo is more orange/gold than red, it's possible he's split silver (aka golden - different from actual 'gold') in which case he would throw both golden and red cockerels and silver or red pullets...  but that's just a guess.

and as for 'breeding Wyandottes for 20 years'...  yeah, but was he breeding QUALITY Wyandottes or just run of the mill whatever hatches gets used 'dottes?

You can google his web page: www. Wilson's Wyandotte 's. I am getting silver coloured roos.
These are the parent stock.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: it's quite possible, since the roo is not a deep mahogany, that he may carry the silver gene. it's also possible he only carries 1 copy of the mahogany gene, so any cockerels getting the silver without mahogany will look very much silver until they mature and the silvery areas would turn pale straw colored. but if he does carry silver, it's also quite possible to get silver pullets too, who would have red leakage because of the mahogany gene, if they get both. a hen can not be split for a sex linked mutation, since she only has one sex chromosome to carry the color on.

you are saying you're getting silver roos. have you grown any of them out to maturity yet? I'd like to see one around 6 months old and see what his color looks like then.

and I did look at Wilson's Wyandottes, if you look at his photo section, the blue partridge and the blue duckwing, both roos are heterozygous for silver. one just shows more red than the other. the blue duckwing has leakage on his wings and a pale gold/cream color where he should be white.

so yes, i'd say it's quite possible (probable) that he uses silvers in his crosses...

i'm also curious, looking at his birds, how much the Wyandotte SOP varies in his country from the US standard... those birds are not up to US standards, IMO. but then, they may be for his own country's standards of the breed.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Thanks for your input. I think it goes without saying, that the SOP differs from country to country. As there is no SOP for the blrw as yet, I guess we will all just have to get on with it. As with anything the few people involved in the decision making will of course want the standard to be as close as possible to what they are working on. I will select one of the roos and keep a photo journal to see what eventuates.

 

[ki4got]

Thanks for your input. I think it goes without saying, that the SOP differs from country to country. As there is no SOP for the blrw as yet, I guess we will all just have to get on with it. As with anything the few people involved in the decision making will of course want the standard to be as close as possible to what they are working on. I will select one of the roos and keep a photo journal to see what eventuates.

I was referring to the WYANDOTTE standard, not the color standard... the shape of the birds is wrong compared to what's required in the US. the combs are much larger and coarser, the birds more V shaped than O... most of the colors on the website you pointed to are not recognized in the US, though some seem to be for Australia...

what does the breed standard call for in your country? that is the shape you should be breeding for, regardless of color.