Breed Origins Thread

[Ducks and Banny hens]

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I like the name. Surely you didn't name it after that giant of the Industrial Revolution, Sir Henry Bessemer, after which the Bessemer process was named?

Actually, it was named after the Breed of Duck, which I named after a Ghost town nearby where I live, which was named after the Bessemer Process, which was named in honor of Sir Henry Bessemer. Er, did you get all that?

If you want to see pics and information on the Breed of Duck, in the Ducks forum there is the Bessemer Thread .

 

[Eggs-quisite Eggs-cursion]

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Yep. Bessemer is a lovely name and, along with the features of the breed, can make is a more desirable choice than, say, a chicken breed named after a person who committed nefarious deeds.

I don't know of any breeds named after the less reputable; what breed(s) do you mean? Or is that just an example?

My point is only that a breed name with a more positive sound or meaning will be kept/preserved/propagated by more people than a breed named with a less desirable name. Breed names like Bubonic or E-coli will not engender the type of popularity necessary to become viable breeds. Take the name Tebow. If someone named a chicken breed after him, well, some folks would be ecstatic and others would not.

A name is important and I happen to like the sound of Bessemer. And I can't think of any drawbacks with that name.

 

[Ducks and Banny hens]

Breed Origin: Campbell
The Leghorn that waddles.
This breed is descended from a hen duck kept by Mrs. Adella Campbell, who lived in Uley England. She loved how that duck (an Indian runner cross) layed so prolifically, but she desired more size, to be used for meat ducks, so she bred her to a Rouen drake. Over the years, the Campbell absorbed other genetic material (like Wild Mallard) and became the Campbell we know today.

 

[Ducks and Banny hens]

Breed Origin: Chantecler
The Canuck.
This breed was apparently the first breed originated in Canada. It was originated by a Monk, who realising Canada yet had no breed to call it's own, began starting one. His intent was to create a breed lacking any of the bells and whistles found in other breeds, just to be a good utility breed. I don't remember all the breeds he used, but, among others, Cornish and Wyandottes were used...

 

[The Duck ABC's]

Posting stories all over the net does not legitimate new breeds. They need to breed true for generations before you can claim a new breed over mutts. Strain variations are not new breeds. Any reputable breeder will invest into genetic verification, before they claim a new breed. Writing articles all over will never get your mutts accepted by the international standard organizations.



Be polite to other members is the first rule of BYC.

 

[Big Dreamer]

You need to focus on "Creating" one breed at a time. You need to make sure they breed true for like 4 generations. You cant make mutts and call them a new breed.If you truley wanted to make new breeds, you would have a purpose (Meat, eggs, broody) If not then they are just barnyard mutts.


Let's please remember to be polite/kind to other members-first rule of BYC.

 

[gallorojo]

Whoa there!! Easy now!! Big Dreamer and Duck ABC's, please, You've totally lost me, plus, you are being rude to the OP. From what I can see, they are trying to educate people on breed origins, in a very quick and simple way. The majority of what's listed on here are real established breeds already. The few that are not seem to be works in progress, I have not seen them trying to sell their birds, or posting things all over the internet. Some of the "breeds' I'm not even sure they are working on personally, just seems like they are sharing info. What is with all the hostility?

I surely don't agree with everything Ducks and Banny hens has ever posted, I definetly do not see any need at all for any new breeds of anything-however, can we all try to be civil? I don't get the sense the Op is trying to trick or mislead anyone. We can't all agree on everything all the time, such is life. We can try to be decent, though. Especially 2 days before Christmas!

 

[Ducks and Banny hens]

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First: Who said I need to focus on originating one breed at a time? I have one breed of SETTING chicken (purpose), one strain of MEAT duck (another purpose), and I'm planning to project an EGG duck (purpose), and an EGG chicken (purpose). I haven't started those projects yet, aand I didn't start the ones I'm working on. Yes, Bow Lakes used to be Barnies, but they aren't anymore. They've been running even in type, and colors are close to finishing.

And what about Spiral Breeding? Has anyone thought of that? I didn't think so. It allows me to start with 'a handful of birds' and maintain genetic stability.

 

[Ducks and Banny hens]

The Duck ABC's :

Posting stories all over the net does not legitimate new breeds. They need to breed true for generations before you can claim a new breed over mutts. Strain variations are not new breeds. Any reputable breeder will invest into genetic verification, before they claim a new breed. Writing articles all over will never get your mutts accepted by the international standard organizations.

First, are you accusing us of something? It seems to me like you just turned the Bessemer discussions over to here. I think if you have a problem with any of the new breeds, you should take it to the originators!​

 

[Ducks and Banny hens]

Now, back on topic....
Breed Origins: Welsh Harlequin and Elisabeth
No camouflage allowed...
These are two breeds that have in common: appearance, and that they have changed since their origination. The Harlequin is older, so I'll start their first. In the early 1900's, Cpt. Leslie Bonnet, of (you guessed it) Wales had two odd ducklings born to his Campbells (and I believe they were a breeding pair). They grew up to be the most beautiful ducks Cpt. Bonnet had ever seen. Of cousre, he bred them, they bred true, and the Gold Welsh Harlequin was born. Silver Welsh Harlequins came later, and I don't know how they began... I only know that they had other blood introduced.... Their type changed over the years, as did the Campbells, and apparently, the (very scarse) Gold phase is more true to the originals, because it is descended from the originals.
Now on to australia... Not very long ago, an interesting breed occured. It occured when a snowy Mallard and a Dark Rouen were crossed. The Elisabeth was now born. Over the years, it has changed, too. Harlequin blood has kept it alive in it's scarcity. As a result, it is a marvelous Dual Purpose breed. If you can find it....