That's what drives me crazy. I haven't found actual egg numbers corresponding to comments of *good*, *poor*, or *excellent* for the 1890s to about 1910. The actual numbers don't seem to come until later. The time period that I am most interested in is the 10 years on either side of the century mark. That was the time that Javas were most often being hailed as *excellent* layers. Well I know that their idea of *excellent* would not be what today's idea is, but trying to figure out what they thought *excellent* meant is frustrating. If I had a more definite point of reference, then it would be easier to see how far Javas have fallen in egg production, or if they have fallen in egg production at all. To me, I think they can still stand some improvement. But it would be nice to have more specifics than such a subjective and relative term as *excellent*.