BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[Beer can]

I have a few that I crossed with Easter Eggers.  You can also use the Dark Cornish to get pea combs. 

Hmm, interesting. Pea combs would be better here, I've never had major problems with straight combs in our subzero, just the tips get minor frostbite, never permanent damage. I wanted dark cornish for crossing anyway (Hellbender seems to like that cross) but Cackle is sold out for the year. Maybe I'll give them a call tomorrow and see if they might have a some cockerels xtra to add. Naked necks supposed to be here next week, they were sold out of them also until next week when I ordered.
I was only going to cross for meat birds separate and keep the NN pure.
Whats the odds of a NN dark cornish cross keeping a pea comb and clean naked neck, or even just a bowtie down the line if I was to go that route?

 

[Kassaundra]

Hmm, interesting. Pea combs would be better here, I've never had major problems with straight combs in our subzero, just the tips get minor frostbite, never permanent damage. I wanted dark cornish for crossing anyway (Hellbender seems to like that cross) but Cackle is sold out for the year. Maybe I'll give them a call tomorrow and see if they might have a some cockerels xtra to add. Naked necks supposed to be here next week, they were sold out of them also until next week when I ordered.
I was only going to cross for meat birds separate and keep the NN pure.
Whats the odds of a NN dark cornish cross keeping a pea comb and clean naked neck, or even just a bowtie down the line if I was to go that route?

It would be easy enough to get them both. Both are visible so easy to cull for. You will start w/ first generation w/ big bow ties in 50% (if you start w/ a double gened NaNa,25% if you start w/ a single gened Nana) But next gen if you take only the pea combed Nana (large bow ties) and breed them you would get up to half w/ NaNa (small to no bow tie w/ the added pea comb feather reduction)

 

[draye]

Hmm, interesting. Pea combs would be better here, I've never had major problems with straight combs in our subzero, just the tips get minor frostbite, never permanent damage. I wanted dark cornish for crossing anyway (Hellbender seems to like that cross) but Cackle is sold out for the year. Maybe I'll give them a call tomorrow and see if they might have a some cockerels xtra to add. Naked necks supposed to be here next week, they were sold out of them also until next week when I ordered.
I was only going to cross for meat birds separate and keep the NN pure.
Whats the odds of a NN dark cornish cross keeping a pea comb and clean naked neck, or even just a bowtie down the line if I was to go that route?

I have a problem keeping the pea comb going, by trying to keep the naked neck and breeding back to NN the comb starts becoming a modified pea comb, and then I lose the blue egg gene, which was my purpose of crossing them.

Here's a breakdown of the matings:
NN x NN= 100% NN
NN x Nn = 50% NN + 50% Nn
Nn x Nn = 25% NN + 50% Nn + 25% nn (fully feathered)
NN x nn = 100% Nn
Nn x nn = 50% Nn + 50% nn (fully feathered)

NN little to no bow tie on neck.
Nn big now tie.
nn fully feathered.

 

[Kassaundra]

I have a problem keeping the pea comb going, by trying to keep the naked neck and breeding back to NN the comb starts becoming a modified pea comb, and then I lose the blue egg gene, which wad my our pose of crossing them.

Yes, that is why I said to breed the offspring who have pea and (Nana ) to each other.

 

[bramblefir]

I have a problem keeping the pea comb going, by trying to keep the naked neck and breeding back to NN the comb starts becoming a modified pea comb, and then I lose the blue egg gene, which wad my our pose of crossing them.

You would need to breed the offspring of the initial cross together before crossing back to the NN. You would want to select the F2 with the best peacombs and least neck feathering for crossing back into pure NN, if so desired. Heterozygous pea combs tend to be "wonky" as I would describe it and you can easily sort them out of the bunch.

Parent Cross:
NN Sire (Na/Na p/p) by Pea Comb Dam (na/na P/P)

F1 offspring:
100% Bowtied NN with wonky Pea Combs (Na/na P/p)

F2 offspring:

• "Clean" NNs with proper Pea Combs (Na/Na P/P)
• "Clean" NNs with wonky Pea Combs (Na/Na P/p)
• "Clean" NNs with Single Combs (Na/Na p/p)
• Bowtied NNs with proper Pea Combs (Na/na P/P)
• Bowtied NNs with wonky Pea Combs (Na/na P/p)
• Bowtied NNs with Single Combs (Na/na p/p)
• Regular Feathered with proper Pea Combs (na/na P/P)
• Regular Feathered with wonky Pea Combs (na/na P/p)
• Regular Feathered with Single Combs (na/na p/p)

 

[draye]

• "Clean" NNs with proper Pea Combs (Na/Na P/P)
• "Clean" NNs with wonky Pea Combs (Na/Na P/p)
• "Clean" NNs with Single Combs (Na/Na p/p)
• Bowtied NNs with proper Pea Combs (Na/na P/P)
• Bowtied NNs with wonky Pea Combs (Na/na P/p)
• Bowtied NNs with Single Combs (Na/na p/p)
• Regular Feathered with proper Pea Combs (na/na P/P)
• Regular Feathered with wonky Pea Combs (na/na P/p)
• Regular Feathered with Single Combs (na/na p/p)

Thanks for that break down. I have tried to avoid breeding siblings together. Too afraid of getting "retarded" chickens.

I've got some Green eggs in the incubator now from someone that got some if my original flock that I'm hoping will continue the blue/green egg I'm trying to build back up.

I will most likely try that inbreeding thing at least once after crossing these back into them.

 

[ronott1]

Thanks for that break down. I have tried to avoid breeding siblings together. Too afraid of getting "retarded" chickens.

I've got some Green eggs in the incubator now from someone that got some if my original flock that I'm hoping will continue the blue/green egg I'm trying to build back up.

I will most likely try that inbreeding thing at least once after crossing these back into them.

Hi Draye!

They are chickens, not humans--sibling breeding is common with poultry and used in breeding programs all the time.

The chicks will be fine!

 

[bramblefir]

Thanks for that break down. I have tried to avoid breeding siblings together. Too afraid of getting "retarded" chickens.

I've got some Green eggs in the incubator now from someone that got some if my original flock that I'm hoping will continue the blue/green egg I'm trying to build back up.

I will most likely try that inbreeding thing at least once after crossing these back into them.

Inbreeding chickens isn't really a big deal and it is necessary when trying to fix in a trait or traits. If you wanted to you could always setup 2 pens, each with an NN cock and some Pea Comb hens. Then cross the offspring from the pens together.

 

[draye]

Hi Draye!

They are chickens, not humans--sibling breeding is common with poultry and used in breeding programs all the time.

The chicks will be fine!

Yea, I know, it's just a thing with me.

I'll probably go that route soon with all my lines. Trying to go to certain colors on my NN.

 

[ronott1]

Yea, I know, it's just a thing with me.

I'll probably go that route soon with all my lines. Trying to go to certain colors on my NN.

There are so many things about chickens like that. I too had to get over the sibling mating technique.

I love it!