BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[Arielle]

Quote: THanks ROn-- I think this is a freudian slip . . .lol

ok-- I get it now.

 

[ronott1]

THanks ROn-- I think this is a freudian slip . . .lol

ok-- I get it now.

Yes!

Diet for sure.

 

[capayvalleychick]

Oh peas is a great idea, doh!, especially if it was for the plant rather than the pods/seeds.

Otherwise-- I"m confused about which peas/beans/cowpeas area safe or not safe for chickens to eat raw. ( Soybeans are always cooked as far as I know.)

Peas and beans are the same as soy beans. They will be ok as long as they do not eat too much of a percentage of their diet as raw legumes.

You can look that up. @capayvalleychick may know the numbers though--she researched it a while back.

I haven't been following this conversation, but have done a lot of research on feeding poultry. I don't have my notes handy, but know that what you have to be concerned about with beans & peas are antinutritional factors.
Soybeans, other types of beans and cowpeas are the worst. They must be heat treated before being fed to poultry. For example. the antinutritional factors in raw soybeans will disrupt digestion and enlarge the pancreas.
Research each variety of bean or pea to find what antinutritional factors are present and what needs to be done to make them safe for poultry to eat.
Peas, depending on the variety, are a bit safer. They contain less ANFs and certain varieties can be fed raw to poultry in limited quantities. http://www.northernpulse.com/uploads\resources\391\revised-04-feed-pea-poultry-fact-sheet-color.pdf
Even the leaves of some legumes can be toxic to poultry. For instance, the leaves of lima bean plants contain cyanogenic glucosides which can cause difficulty breathing and death.

Feedipedia is a good place to find basic info. http://www.feedipedia.org/

 

[Arielle]

THanks Kim. An interesting read; and the on line feeds data is far more extensive than any of my old feeds books. TY

 

[hellbender]

OK...'CLINIC' is completed. This has been a very exhausting program but certainly a worthy one. Jason and the cameraman 'Chuckie' will be doing the editing, keeping the instructions from the 'Staff' in mind. They are both too whipped out to commence that task until tomorrow but they have promised to get it finished before 5/16.

We lost six chicks and of course more could fail over the next few days but we did a total of 103 chicks and considering that 4 of the hands working in this theater were unskilled with working with pullets. I will be quick to say that our experience in caponizing made things much easier for both of us. Like anything, It will require practice to refine our technique.

Our thanks to Dr. Ruby Dao Mong for coming here and sharing his experience with us. Few people in this country still have the detailed knowledge to perform this procedure and we feel very fortunate to have had this experience.

By the way, I want to point out...Dr. Mong is not an MD but rather a PhD, in a field not related to poultry in any way.

RON

 

[LindaB220]

OK...'CLINIC' is completed. This has been a very exhausting program but certainly a worthy one. Jason and the cameraman 'Chuckie' will be doing the editing, keeping the instructions from the 'Staff' in mind. They are both too whipped out to commence that task until tomorrow but they have promised to get it finished before 5/16.

We lost six chicks and of course more could fail over the next few days but we did a total of 103 chicks and considering that 4 of the hands working in this theater were unskilled with working with pullets. I will be quick to say that our experience in caponizing made things much easier for both of us. Like anything, It will require practice to refine our technique.

Our thanks to Dr. Ruby Dao Mong for coming here and sharing his experience with us. Few people in this country still have the detailed knowledge to perform this procedure and we feel very fortunate to have had this experience.

By the way, I want to point out...Dr. Mong is not an MD but rather a PhD, in a field not related to poultry in any way.

RON

I am so proud of both you and Jason for this very important endeavor. Will wait for the video on 5/16 but any tidbits you might want to throw in would be appreciated. Like age of chicks, etc.

 

[Clsikes]

Subscribing.

 

[hellbender]

I am so proud of both you and Jason for this very important endeavor. Will wait for the video on 5/16 but any tidbits you might want to throw in would be appreciated. Like age of chicks, etc.

The chicks were between 3 and 4 weeks old...breed: Dark Cornish and a few NNs. We decided to keep some of the Dark Cornish to breed our own stock for meat birds. Jason (of course) wants to try crossing some NN's with DC's for meat...always the experimenter.

EDIT: Slight change of plans. I won't have to leave 'til 5/21...

Jason wants to take care of the Costa Rica trip by himself which is totally fine with me. He will get far more pleasure from that time in CR than would I.

I will be departing DWI for Porto Alegre 5/21, giving me time to be certain that the video gets posted.

It will hit youtube eventually but the 'farm and stock' portion will be redacted, at least. Still going to make every effort to get it posted here by 5/16 !!!!!!!!!!!!

RON

 

[armorfirelady]

Looking forward to seeing the video hellbender

 

[hellbender]

Looking forward to seeing the video hellbender

Me too!!! The hard part is going to be keeping it within the parameters set by 'Staff'. No part of the 'clinic' is anywhere near so messy as the pics of a couple hens I saw posted that had been cut badly by cock's spurs but those were pics. Video might appear to be more dramatic.