BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

Hey, guys, forgive me if this has been covered a lot and I've completely blanked it from my memory, but what sort of housing arrangements do you guys use as growout pens - either for those littles you are evaluating, or those you know are headed to the freezer? While the tractor has worked fine for me so far, I'm interested in other options, not sure that's ideal. I've heard of some folks using kennels...

Planing ahead for hatching next year. Next year I'm going to hatch some Cream Legbars - the pullets that are laying have been great producers of blue eggs, 6-7 per week, and good foragers and alert to predators, and I'd like to do some low grade work on improving the breed for my own uses, since I have a good cockerel. And of course, I will be hatching for evolution of my Naked Neck flock. While I'd love to add the German New Hampshires and Blue Copper Marans next spring, I'm not sure that won't be a little too much at once... Maybe later (or heck, maybe not at all, and I'll just focus on the CLs and NNs for a while). Housing is what I'm wrapping my head around. Hence the request for examples of growout arrangements.

- Ant Farm

I created a separate pen just for the chicks to grow out in, and then try to keep another pen empty in case I need to separate birds, whether as designated culls, males from females, etc. It's still not a great setup....a definite work in progress...but progress is slow. Once I've selected my keepers and they're of sufficient age, I try to incorporate them into my other flocks asap. Here's a picture of the cabin that contains my 'growing out' birds.


You can see the NN Turken condo and run on the left side of the photo, and the cabin just after it was delivered and before I'd made any modifications. There are now pens at both ends with pop doors and I built outdoor runs on the right side.



This is the first pen I built for my Bielefelder flock. I hadn't installed the pop door or the nesting boxes yet because they were young, but you can get the idea of what the pens themselves are like.


There's now another pen to the right of this one where I isolate birds for a variety of reasons. It's the one pen that doesn't have a pop door to the outside.




And this show the outside with the outdoor pens that were still under construction at that time. I've now added the pop doors and the man doors so the run can be entered and secured. I don't have a top on the runs yet, but will be installing shade cloth for the hotter months. The pen on the right houses my Silkie and Frizzled EE girls since they're smaller. The pen on the left is larger and houses my growing-out birds
 
My cockerel was over six pounds at six months. Yeah I was thinking a faster growing cross would be better, Meyer's has 'white rocks' but I already have the giants and don't want any new breeds at the moment, have to suppress the 'morehens disease'. It's just a side project for personal use not what I'm focusing on unless it works out, if it doesn't we will just eat them all and start over down a new path :)
haha for use of this works out we can sell the results on the local Asian market because that's what we are going to try to cater for.
 
Me too.

Edit...it was sunny here today and I took a pic of my future Muscovy duck pond...I'll post it tomorrow...not that anyone really cares.
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We care! We care!!!!
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- Ant Farm
 
We care! We care!!!!
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- Ant Farm

It's actually in the preliminary stages...lots of work to make it functional.



As I said...lots of work to get it 'duck-worthy'.
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Since the breeders won't ship ducklings, Jason and I are going to drive up to PA. for a pick-up. These folks seem to be breeders of very good white Moscovies that have been bred for heavy and rapid breast development.

EDIT...Has never gone dry.
 
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So far, what has worked best for us in Bastrop is rolling pens made from fence panels similar to the one described at http://www2.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/ASC/ASC189/ASC189.pdf . My husband modified it a little (horse panels instead of cattle or hog panels, 2x4 wire on the ends and he made our doors to fit properly!) We found the solid, flat-proof tires work better in our sand than the inflated tires. I hang a feeder and a waterer from the top arch of a panel, and ta-dah! no more poop-shoveling! Of course, the chicks have to be about 8 weeks old before they are large enough to be contained by 2x4" wire/panels. This winter, I have added a small plastic dog house so the birds have a spot to get out of the wind and rain. In the summer, the tarp alone was plenty of shelter.

This is helping with our fire ant problems, and the Great Pyrenees keeps the predators from digging under and into the pens. For laying hens, I move the pen when it is best for the hens; for non-layers, when it is best for the pasture. The pasture forage is thickening, and the grass burs are thinning.

Best wishes,
Angela

Thanks so much for that link! I actually have a bunch of extra 16' cattle panels - I had gotten them to cut into 8 ft panels for trellises in the garden (they work SO well!). But since I had to pay someone to haul them for me on a trailer from TSC to my house, I got a bunch to make the cost of the hauling worth while. What appeals to me about the tractor thing is that it is so easily used as a greenhouse when not filled with chickens (yeah, like that's ever going to happen...) This particular plan calls mostly for stuff I already have on hand - BONUS!

My question, though, is whether you use them as stationary housing at any point? How much (open/pasture) property do you have? I have another tractor I built (also a pretty good one) that the Naked Necks are in while growing out, and I was able to move it around my property for about 6 weeks or so, before kind of running out of places to drag it (I have an acre behind my house, but there are trees in some areas, a large garden, and it's not a straight shot...) So I parked it, filled it with bedding, and fenced in a paddock around them to wander in during the day.

Does anyone have any panelized outdoor pens that they break down into components for storage when not in use? That appeals to me...

- Ant Farm
 
I created a separate pen just for the chicks to grow out in, and then try to keep another pen empty in case I need to separate birds, whether as designated culls, males from females, etc. It's still not a great setup....a definite work in progress...but progress is slow. Once I've selected my keepers and they're of sufficient age, I try to incorporate them into my other flocks asap. Here's a picture of the cabin that contains my 'growing out' birds.


You can see the NN Turken condo and run on the left side of the photo, and the cabin just after it was delivered and before I'd made any modifications. There are now pens at both ends with pop doors and I built outdoor runs on the right side.



This is the first pen I built for my Bielefelder flock. I hadn't installed the pop door or the nesting boxes yet because they were young, but you can get the idea of what the pens themselves are like.


There's now another pen to the right of this one where I isolate birds for a variety of reasons. It's the one pen that doesn't have a pop door to the outside.




And this show the outside with the outdoor pens that were still under construction at that time. I've now added the pop doors and the man doors so the run can be entered and secured. I don't have a top on the runs yet, but will be installing shade cloth for the hotter months. The pen on the right houses my Silkie and Frizzled EE girls since they're smaller. The pen on the left is larger and houses my growing-out birds

That's amazing! So, do I understand that you have this all in a single building, separated in pens?

(Man, I SOOOOOO need a barn!)

- Ant Farm
 
Does anyone have any panelized outdoor pens that they break down into components for storage when not in use? That appeals to me...

- Ant Farm


Tractor Supply has dog kennels made up of 10 foot by 6 foot chain link panels. You can buy it as a unit, (3 solid panels, 1 gate panel), or buy the individual panels separately. Goes together with 2 clamps on each corner pretty easily. I bought 6 of them and put them together for a 30' x 40' pen, with 2 10x30 pens, and 4 10x15 pens.
 
Tractor Supply has dog kennels made up of 10 foot by 6 foot chain link panels. You can buy it as a unit, (3 solid panels, 1 gate panel), or buy the individual panels separately. Goes together with 2 clamps on each corner pretty easily. I bought 6 of them and put them together for a 30' x 40' pen, with 2 10x30 pens, and 4 10x15 pens.

Oh, this is a GREAT idea! Thanks!!!!

- Ant Farm
 
Haha fair enough. Sorry on the phone probably doing to many thing at once but I got a breather.

I have going on Swedish Blacks hens who culls are going tout be bred into our silkies to make black skinned meat birds to be sold to the local market
I have Self blue OEGBs I would like some sorta direct on helping their build (I never seem to be able to sadly get help on the site if I post about them on their thread)
The Isbars coming in March are gonna be a wait and see if we like them as a breed or put them in our laying flock.

Then my pride and joy, Bantam Kraienkoppe. I been working on them with a help of a fellow breeder but I am game for suggestions on how to breed down weight, and breeding methods?


Yea I don't even get that
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my OEGBs were a gift from a old retired breeder who had them pop up in his flock. He used to breed for so but as life went on he just bred them for pleasure. And honestly I adore them and want to work on creating a good laying show line of them, but I swear Self Blues are like the rarest out there!!

And my black meat birds are something that I know I will have to up their size but I want to keep of course the color of the meat so I got to be careful on who I cross into that line.

To add to that I am small farm haha, so I can't hatch 100s of chicks to full but a few lol. We are hoping to get more land which for me, the poultry maniac on the farm means I get to go wild... With in reason
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I'm trying something similar, wish I had access to swedish black or cemani. I'm trying a TSC white silkies (they are big) cross with white jersey giant. The silkies are very black skinned, have to wait and see how the chicks turn out, I'm going to line breed any that turn out fibro.
I thought about scrapping the idea when I saw someone post here their large Naked Neck fibro's, they looked AWESOME! Can't remember who it was, dfr1973 or Kassaundra??
Not me - that was Kassaundra. I just cannot love a NN. They are just not my style. Crossing Silkies with larger Fm breed like Swedish Black ... that is where I am going with my Silkiebators next. Someone up in Lake City area has the Swedish Blacks, and her foundation hen is broody, broody, broody! Which is exactly what I want ... along with a small army of setting hens, I am hoping to get a couple nice chick-nanny capons eventually.

Oh, I have a splash Silkie pullet trying to be broody as of yesterday afternoon ... although I am not taking her seriously just yet. If she stays determined, and plucks some feathers, then I may give her Silkie eggs instead of putting them into the incubator on the solstice. It did sort of surprise me to see one trying ten days prior to solstice, as I figured they'd go broody en masse about a week after the solstice once the lengthening days became noticeable to them.
 

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