BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[CanadianBuckeye]

I bet I would! I need to roll the idea around in my head - I don't have much room for roosters at all.

(That's the closest smiley to "thinking hard about something" that I could find...)

- Ant Farm

I've heard of some people keeping roosters alone in smallish pens, and allowing them odd days out in a larger range alone to stretch. Could that work?

 

[RattlesnakeRidgeWV]

That is what I do with all my cockerels for about a year until I decide who I want to breed and then I eat the rest or sell some to people who want to breed good BBS Aussies. They are usually fine if they grow up together for about a year but don't separate them and then try to put one back with the group. That will be a disaster!
Kurt

 

[Dave C]

Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.














Any excuse to put up some pics

 

[lpatelski]

Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.














Any excuse to put up some pics

Most of these you have probably already read. There may be one or two you have not found.

http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d...pplement---frenchFBAECDAC7889D897D1420D60.pdf
http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d.../broiler-performance-nutrition-supplement.pdf
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Cobb_Sasso150_Sales_Brochure.pdf
http://www.sasso.fr/coloured-chicken-genetics-for-organic-red-label-farmer-chickens.html
http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d...2008/cobb_focus_two_2008_english.pdf?sfvrsn=4 - page 7 talks about the Sasso.
http://www.sasso.fr/home.html
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/labelrouge.pdf
Apr 15, 2008

UK: Two new chicken breeds launched
Two new chicken breeds for the 'welfare friendly' sector of the market are to be launched by Cobb Europe.

The launch of these 2 new chicken breeds will take place at the​

British Pig and Poultry Fair​

at Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, from 13-14 May (Hall 1, stand no. 28).​

The Cobb 700, developed initially for heavy bird markets seeking high breast meat yield, has the slower growing attributes and robust health that make it suited to the higher welfare version of the standard chicken.The Cobb Sasso 150 is the first product to emerge from the new partnership between Cobb and the French breeder Sasso, a world leader in coloured chickens. The new breed is a coloured chicken bred from a rustic brown female mated to a white male, with abput 10% of the broilers having brown feathers and providing distinctive colour markings.“The new products will offer UK producers a wider choice of breeds for supplying the growing sector of the market where consumers are looking for higher welfare standards for both indoor and free range chickens,” saysEuan Meldrum marketing manager of Cobb Europe. “Both breeds have been extensively tested at our UK trials farm and are already creating a lot of interest through the industry.”
They do not tell trade secrets in these articles. But...I did find this article.
Sasso T-44 and broiler chickens responded differently to inoculation of SRBC antigens. Local and Sasso T-44 chickens showed the best immune response to inoculation with SRBC antigens compared with commercial broilers. This could be attributed to the fact that the Sasso T-44 is a scavenging chicken genotype in France and therefore could have similar immunological abilities as local Ghanaian chickens. Local chickens raised in extensive scavenging systems are likely to face more health challenges and hence are likely to be more immunocompetent. For instance, Egyptian indigenous naked neck and normally feathered chickens have been reported to have better immune response than commercial chicken lines (El-Safty, Ali and Fathi, 2006).

 

[CanadianBuckeye]

Most of these you have probably already read. There may be one or two you have not found.

http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d...pplement---frenchFBAECDAC7889D897D1420D60.pdf
http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d.../broiler-performance-nutrition-supplement.pdf
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Cobb_Sasso150_Sales_Brochure.pdf
http://www.sasso.fr/coloured-chicken-genetics-for-organic-red-label-farmer-chickens.html
http://www.cobb-vantress.com/docs/d...2008/cobb_focus_two_2008_english.pdf?sfvrsn=4 - page 7 talks about the Sasso.
http://www.sasso.fr/home.html
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/labelrouge.pdf
Apr 15, 2008

UK: Two new chicken breeds launched

Two new chicken breeds for the 'welfare friendly' sector of the market are to be launched by Cobb Europe.

The launch of these 2 new chicken breeds will take place at the​

British Pig and Poultry Fair​

at Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, from 13-14 May (Hall 1, stand no. 28).​

The Cobb 700, developed initially for heavy bird markets seeking high breast meat yield, has the slower growing attributes and robust health that make it suited to the higher welfare version of the standard chicken.The Cobb Sasso 150 is the first product to emerge from the new partnership between Cobb and the French breeder Sasso, a world leader in coloured chickens. The new breed is a coloured chicken bred from a rustic brown female mated to a white male, with abput 10% of the broilers having brown feathers and providing distinctive colour markings.“The new products will offer UK producers a wider choice of breeds for supplying the growing sector of the market where consumers are looking for higher welfare standards for both indoor and free range chickens,” saysEuan Meldrum marketing manager of Cobb Europe. “Both breeds have been extensively tested at our UK trials farm and are already creating a lot of interest through the industry.”
They do not tell trade secrets in these articles. But...I did find this article.
Sasso T-44 and broiler chickens responded differently to inoculation of SRBC antigens. Local and Sasso T-44 chickens showed the best immune response to inoculation with SRBC antigens compared with commercial broilers. This could be attributed to the fact that the Sasso T-44 is a scavenging chicken genotype in France and therefore could have similar immunological abilities as local Ghanaian chickens. Local chickens raised in extensive scavenging systems are likely to face more health challenges and hence are likely to be more immunocompetent. For instance, Egyptian indigenous naked neck and normally feathered chickens have been reported to have better immune response than commercial chicken lines (El-Safty, Ali and Fathi, 2006).

That's very interesting. I'm glad to hear it, they could not keep going the way they were in the meat chicken industry. Does not look like they are in North America though?

 

[Turk Raphael]

That's very interesting. I'm glad to hear it, they could not keep going the way they were in the meat chicken industry. Does not look like they are in North America though?

I think they might be but indicate so in French. I sent an e'mail.

 

[Dave C]

I have seen folk on here mention the Sasso Medium grow X431A Farm Ranger being very similar to your Red Rangers.
I'm sure someone said they had some.

 

[Kusanar]

I just saw an article saying that Perdue (I think) is starting to have a more natural way of raising their broilers, adding in perches and natural lighting were 2 of the things that I remember them saying they were doing. Also, they are looking into some slower growing lines to try to have healthier birds at slaughter rather than having them breaking down and having heart issues before processing. Also, they are going away from the shackles and dunking the birds head in electrified water and will be gassing them to stun prior to processing... I kind of wonder what gas they will be using....

 

[DesertChic]

I just saw an article saying that Perdue (I think) is starting to have a more natural way of raising their broilers, adding in perches and natural lighting were 2 of the things that I remember them saying they were doing. Also, they are looking into some slower growing lines to try to have healthier birds at slaughter rather than having them breaking down and having heart issues before processing. Also, they are going away from the shackles and dunking the birds head in electrified water and will be gassing them to stun prior to processing... I kind of wonder what gas they will be using....

I've heard this too. In fact, they're now running a commercial about how their birds are being raised "more naturally" and without antibiotics. Personally, I'm skeptical that their standards would ever meet my own for raising meat birds, but I'm glad to see changes coming to the commercial poultry industry.

 

[Kusanar]

Quote:
The thing I saw didn't really say no antibiotics at all, but they did say that they wouldn't be just giving antibiotics to the entire flock for growth. And yes, I'm sure they won't ever meet a good backyard farmer, but, for the people that buy factory farmed meat, it would be nice if the meat was somewhat happy and healthy before processing. I know I kind of feel bad because I go through so much chicken these days, I have 6 cats and a dog eating raw and they go through a 10 pound bag of leg quarters in about 3-4 days (if I'm lucky)...