breeding lemon cuckoo orpingtons

[FRANCOIS]

Hi everyone can someone tell me how to create lemon cuckoo orps from
scratch,pictures will also.be highly appreciated!

 

[Debbi]

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You might want to try asking that question in this thread: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=259995&p=455

 

[nicalandia]

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the easiest way will be to start with a Crele Orpington and mated to a Buff Orp Hen..

this cross should yield 100% Lemon Cuckoo Orps(with some black in the tails ofcourse)

this is a sample using the Chicken Calculator

now if you don't have acess to Crele Orps, the next option is Barred Orps..

 

[FRANCOIS]

Ok will try that,but I guess you should use the lightest buffs you can find,I can only use barred orps that is the only color available around here!do you maybe have pictures of your lemon cuckoo orps?

 

[nicalandia]

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well, you don't have to worry about that, as some Breeders like Dan Honour will tell you, its harder to get dark rich buff than lighter ones.. and barring can help you out with making them even lighter.


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if that's the case you will need to go back to light buff in orther to regain a self buff genotype(self buff barred)

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I don't breed them, but their genetic make up is rather simple to figure out

 

[Illia]

Technically the cross won't produce 100% Lemon Cuckoos though. They'll be Crele x Buff, which in the second generation, wherever you point it, will not be a true-breeding program and will give quite a variation. It will take more than two generations to get there. Remember, Buff is a collection of many genes with a Wheaten base. True Crele is just wildtype duckwing with barring.


The Buff shown there is a Buff Columbian, not a self-Buff.

 

[nicalandia]

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No Self Buff on Henk Calculator...

why?
many undocumented genes, why nobody has isolated them is beyond me...

 

[FRANCOIS]

Ok let me get this straight,buff X barred give you lemon cuckoo with brown or black color in the tail then breeding brother to sister will give you 100% lemon cuckoo?

 

[nicalandia]

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Yes.. but you would need to hatch about 40 eggs.. why? because your F1 are only het for Barring so out of the F1xF1 cross you will hatch none barred buffs, none Barred Blacks , barred buffs with some black on the tails, and some self buffs birds that carry the barring gene(Cuckoo Orps)...

How can you reduce tha amount of eggs you need to hatch? use a F1 rooster(will be het for barring) and mated back to the Buff line.. that way you can hatch less eggs and produce more cuckoo Oprs..

 

[Shaffer]

Francois,
In the US many white orps carry the cuckoo gene so you could use white X buff if the white is carrying the cuckoo gene. The darker buff cuckoo bird would be a more striking contrast IMO.