Buckeye Breed Thread

[Arielle]

Just my opinion again.....I dont think that you can compare breeding buckeyes to breeding horses. They are completely different genetically .

Did n't you write this? Or did you forget? LOL

I wrote to Dr Hawes at UMO, professor emeritus, and hope to hear back from him, I'm sure he is very busy. I hope I didn't throw away a lot of money on a college education and got dirt for it. They didn't teach chicken genetics and then horse and dairy genetics separately.

 

[JoshU]

Did n't you write this? Or did you forget? LOL

I wrote to Dr Hawes at UMO, professor emeritus, and hope to hear back from him, I'm sure he is very busy. I hope I didn't throw away a lot of money on a college education and got dirt for it. They didn't teach chicken genetics and then horse and dairy genetics separately.

I guess you are an expert too. Glad you are getting your laughs. I am not an expert and I misspoke. Genetics are genetics but there are big differences between chickens and horses. Good luck to you all and your too good attitudes.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Josh,

I'm only trying to keep this light.

I'm not laughing at you. Not at all--I can only go by what you are saying. I do not know that you mispoke until you said so--it happens to all of us. I often hear people saying chicken genetics are different than horses, but give no evidence. NONE. You are not the only person to say it. I spent a lot of money learning college level genetics and earning a bachelors degree and I do feel offended that I"m being told that what I have learned is not worth dirt. It's unfortunate that you see it as a too good attitude, that sure doesn't fit with my having earned the friend award. I would rather have a good discussion and have us all learn a little something. YOu have me questioning what I learned, so I sent an email to someone who should know. YOu too have access to professors in your state, did you know that? CHeck y our university extention web site. THey are there to help you. You can send an email too.

 

[Arielle]

For anyone interested, Dr Robert Hawes was kind enough to respond to my email. He is professor emeritus at the University of Maine, and raises a number of bantam breeds.

"The genetics of fowl is no different than the genetics of mammals. The big difference is that in fowl the female is the heterogametic sex and the male is the homogametic sex. Just the reverse of mammals."

 

[JoshU]

Ask him about the differences between standardized breeds and non standardized. That is the difference between your horses and buckeyes.

 

[Pathfinders]

So I was reading through the reviews of buckeyes on this site and more than one person stated that they have "Champion blood lines". I am confused as to what that means. I was unaware of any "champion buckeye blood lines" even existed. I have done tons of research on this breed and dont know of any that would be considered champion blood lines. Could anyone enlighten me on this. I would think that you would have to place a whole row multiple years in a row in large american classes in order to make this claim. Thanks for the imput.

Hi Josh,

There are a whole lot of people who "claim" a whole lot of things. Personally, I feel if a breeder has been awarded Master Exhibitor or Master Breeder by the APA and/or ABA, then they could certainly claim their lines were "champion" lines.

I don't know that anyone has achieved that status with Buckeyes. I know I certainly have never claimed my birds were "champion buckeye blood lines." I'd love to have a link to see where anyone was claiming they had same.

Be aware, folks make claims that may or may not be true for a whole host of reasons. Some folks claim things about how great their birds are in order to improve their sales, I've seen that happen in many breeds for many years. Some people exaggerate how long they've worked with a breed in order to make them look more "expert" about it, but yet when you go back some years and re-read posts these same folks made on other online sites, the older posts conflict with the more recent things these folks say online. I am amused when I see that.

People make claims about all sorts of things, generally in order to make themselves appear more "something." More expert, more suited to purchase birds from, more reliable, more whatever.

I think anything anyone claims about their birds should be taken with a grain of salt. I could "claim" that I had a lot of show-winning birds, because of late a number of chicks I sold have grown up and done well at shows. While yes, I supplied the buyers with the basic chick, the buyer also spent quite some time raising and prepping those same chicks to become the show-winning birds they did. So while I could "claim" that they were my birds that won, I don't bother, because I feel it is disingenuous to do so.

I certainly don't depend on the sale of chicks or started birds to pay for anything around here (feed bill or otherwise), I figure any money I make from selling birds is just a perk. My goal is to better the breed, get birds out to those who don't have someone nearby they can get them from, and generally be supportive of Buckeyes and their breeders.

Those are the only claims I'll make, that I want to support the breed and the folks who work with them.

 

[cgmccary]

Quote: A "standardized breed" is any breed which has a formal, written description whether in the APA's SOP or in any other "Standard." There is a written description for a Buckeye in the SOP so it is a "Standardized breed." If a horse has a formal, written description, then it would be a "standardized breed." There is not formal, written descriptions for horse breeds?

"Standardized" is not a genetics term.

 

[Arielle]

Quote:

A "standardized breed" is any breed which has a formal, written description whether in the APA's SOP or in any other "Standard." There is a written description for a Buckeye in the SOP so it is a "Standardized breed." If a horse has a formal, written description, then it would be a "standardized breed." There is not formal, written descriptions for horse breeds?

"Standardized" is not a genetics term.

Since I breed to an SOP for my breed of horses, I would expect there to be a written description for which the breeders to aspire to. THere is a 2-4 jury of judges that view each horse against this SOP. THere is a standardization of descriptions for the Dutch Warmblood, and a drawing. A drawing is used because no picture can be used; perfection doesn't exist. THe Hannovarian horse is a very old breed from Germany. THe pedigree must be traceable for 6 generations for a breeding stallion, for many of my horses I can trace parentage back WITH CERTAINTY to the 1880's.

PS. I can usually identify a horses breed just by looking at its conformation and watching it move. I can ID horses far better than chickens ! LOL

 

[Pathfinders]

A drawing is used because no picture can be used; perfection doesn't exist.

Same thing for the Standard for poultry too. Photos aren't used, for the same reason.

And can I just say, I adore Dutch Warmbloods and Hannovarians! Do you have a link with pics of your horses? Would love to see them.

 

[cgmccary]

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Arielle: I would love to see them too.