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[Funky Feathers]

Sonoran is right, she knows what she's talking about. If anyone knows a LOT about genetics it is her.

 

[nicalandia]

geez agree to disagree lol

no, genetics is a Science there can only be one outcome on a genetic debate, and when you engage Sonoran, you better be prepared to digg your own grave... I can proudly say she is one of my loved teachers...

 

[nicalandia]

Buff Laced Polish are exactly what the color says, buff lace on a white bird.

Try breeding one to any color (other than silver) you'll get a white chicken with black spots. It's called ressive white.

I see what you mean here buddy, but this is only true on a Extended Black e allele birds like, black australorp, Black javas, black sumatras, black orps, you get the point..now if you cross that buff polish to anyother color than black you will get buff laced looking birds..Why? ER is the second most dominant gene outthere just after Extended back(E) there are also other very powerful domiant genes like Pg(Pattern gene) Ml(Melanotic) Co(Columbian restrictor) and Db(Dark Brown, columbian like restrictor).. so you were partially right, but this is not good enough when engaging my teacher Sonoran...

 

[Henk69]

So what is the "groundcolor" of the chicken?

 

[draye]

I see what you mean here buddy, but this is only true on a Extended Black e allele birds like, black australorp, Black javas, black sumatras, black orps, you get the point..now if you cross that buff polish to anyother color than black you will get buff laced looking birds..Why? ER is the second most dominant gene outthere just after Extended back(E) there are also other very powerful domiant genes like Pg(Pattern gene) Ml(Melanotic) Co(Columbian restrictor) and Db(Dark Brown, columbian like restrictor).. so you were partially right, but this is not good enough when engaging my teacher Sonoran...

I have crossed the buff laced to several colors, always white with black spots. The only exception was when crossed with Silver and black.

 

[draye]

Okay went back to review another thread.

I stand corrected.




What I'm not getting though is why all the white if those birds are buff?

 

[CHICKEN CRAZY1]

My goodness now we are talking about genetics.WAY over my head.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Buff is a complicated colour in that it takes a lot of genes to make it happen. Also, there are different genetic "recipes" to make buff. Buff laced has dominant white in it (that is what creates the lacing; the dominant white replaces the black in the lacing). So, when you cross to another colour, you mess up the recipe for buff and for lacing, but you probably retain a copy of dominant white.

Have you tried the chicken calculator to see what colours you are likely to get from the crosses you have made? Henk's signature on his post contains the link to the calculator.

 

[nicalandia]

What I'm not getting though is why all the white if those birds are buff?

Buff laced birds are not "True" buff per say, they lack all of the genes need it to create a true self buff bird, the only gene making them "buff colored" is Homozygous dominant white, Homozygous dominant does all of the Diluting, without dominant white(I/I) they would be just "Gold" laced thats all, nothing more nothing less

Buff is a complicated colour in that it takes a lot of genes to make it happen.

while this is true for Self Buff birds like buff leghorns, buff orps(you get the idea) this is not true for Buff laced birds, there is Only one gene making the buff colore, and that is dominant white I/I on his Homozygous form, also keep in mind the bird needs to be just gold colore, not Red enhanced at all, if the birds carry Mahogany or any other red enhancers this will inhibit the diluting power of Homozygous Dominant white I/I

Buff laced has dominant white in it (that is what creates the lacing)

no, Db, Pg Ml and Co is what making the Lacing on Buff laced Polish(if they are laced as Hamburgs, and not like wyandottes), Dominant white(I/I) turns the black lacing into white and the gold color into a buff shade

when you cross to another colour, you mess up the recipe for buff and for lacing, but you probably retain a copy of dominant white..

I believe if you cross a buff laced polish to anyother color(other than Extended black) you will produce more buff laced birds with less defined lacing due to heterozygotes carrying Pg/pg+ Ml/ml+ Db/db+ Co/co+ and ER/e+/eWh/eb?

now when you cross a buff laced polish to a Black Australorp(or any othe black bird) you will get what we call leaky whites, that is white birds that show black leaking thru.

I´ll be using the genetic calculator(created by Mr. Henk, which is my dear friend) to ilustrate my point..

first cross of Buff laced polish roo over a Black breasted Red OEG



now to the crossing,




now same cross using a Black hen




now to the crossing





here is Henk´s chicken genetic calculator...
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html

 

[KingR0o5t3r]

So.... is this argument over? Can we get back to enjoying the colour?

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