Buttons are Egg Bound

[TNQuail]

Why is EGG BOUND ridiculous,it happens to all spieces that lays the eggs.WIth 37 birds you are doing fine job but you dont have big amount of birds to get to the problem.Just because you offer 30% Protein level diet dosnt mean they cant get egg bound.
Do you thing that offering 30% diet would fix the problem?

 

[navasima]

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Uh - okay. Now's the time to step back and rephrase. Dismissive and patronizing - not the way to go IMO.
Why do I bother writing this? Your knowledge is extensive joe - I'd like to be able to ask questions or just question things in general and learn form the responses without being "spanked". I do value both the facts you present based on empirical evidence as well as your opinion.

Come on! Your buttons aren't eggbound therefore hers aren't? ...having trouble with the logic there... It seems to me that any species which lays eggs has the potential to have problems (echidnas and platypi included). While you may consider it improbable, this cannot be discounted as impossible.

{ahem - I shall now go back to bad puns, Greatful Dead references and tending to my stinky goobers.}

 

[The Critter Place]

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Uh - okay. Now's the time to step back and rephrase. Dismissive and patronizing - not the way to go IMO.
Why do I bother writing this? Your knowledge is extensive joe - I'd like to be able to ask questions or just question things in general and learn form the responses without being "spanked". I do value both the facts you present based on empirical evidence as well as your opinion.

Come on! Your buttons aren't eggbound therefore hers aren't? ...having trouble with the logic there... It seems to me that any species which lays eggs has the potential to have problems (echidnas and platypi included). While you may consider it improbable, this cannot be discounted as impossible.

{ahem - I shall now go back to bad puns, Greatful Dead references and tending to my stinky goobers.}

I agree with navasima,
Just because one person has birds with no problems, doesn't mean others don't have problems or can't.
I almost lost a Cot recently to being egg bound. I've raised hundreds of birds over the years of all kinds, and do know the difference between "slowing down" and "egg bound"

Puffy feathers and listless are not signs of slowing down and just not laying for a few days.

 

[joe125]

Quote:
Uh - okay. Now's the time to step back and rephrase. Dismissive and patronizing - not the way to go IMO.
Why do I bother writing this? Your knowledge is extensive joe - I'd like to be able to ask questions or just question things in general and learn form the responses without being "spanked". I do value both the facts you present based on empirical evidence as well as your opinion.

Come on! Your buttons aren't eggbound therefore hers aren't? ...having trouble with the logic there... It seems to me that any species which lays eggs has the potential to have problems (echidnas and platypi included). While you may consider it improbable, this cannot be discounted as impossible.

{ahem - I shall now go back to bad puns, Greatful Dead references and tending to my stinky goobers.}

I agree with navasima,
Just because one person has birds with no problems, doesn't mean others don't have problems or can't.
I almost lost a Cot recently to being egg bound. I've raised hundreds of birds over the years of all kinds, and do know the difference between "slowing down" and "egg bound"

Puffy feathers and listless are not signs of slowing down and just not laying for a few days.

Ok, my apologies to both of you! I did not mean to be dismissive. I loose 1 or 2 coturnix hens every year or 3 due to suspected "Egg binding". All are over 3 years old, and I assume that age was the most common denominator in their death, not to much protein or lack of calcium in their diet. I'm a bean counter by trade, not a politician.

I'm not the most charming person in the world, but charming people that say they have been raising this bird or that, and the off the shelf feed you are feeding your birds at 37 cents a pound is crap, and causing some condition, but their super fantastic feed is better even though it costs $3+ a pound is trying to sell you something. Sorry to be so gruff, but that is my not so humble opinion.

If one really wants MHO about what causes the most pen raised quail deaths is...
#1. Over handling. Trying to make the bird a pet, like a dog or cat. I have some friendly birds, but they all REALLY HATE, or it scares the poop out of them when you pick them up! Nope, don't care to hear the "Rosco" stories. Rosco was a strange bird anyway.
#2. Getting to distressed over what they think are abnormal conditions, and deploying drastic measures for perceived illnesses, and dunking them in warm salty water, etc...
#3. BAD LOW PROTEIN or CHICKEN FEED.

There are a few more, but those are the top 3. I don't just want to be right, I don't want to be famous, or even loved.....I just want people to raise the most quail they want to with the least amount of time and money.


P.S. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays you bird brains

 

[navasima]

Happy Holidays yourself joe!!

So - stress being a factor - are they actually "happier' with some sort of cover? i.e. branches or something to hide under?

 

[TwoCrows]

Quail find comfort in being able to hide in and around things as they would in the wild. If you put brush piles in the aviaries or cut branches in the pens, giving them the option to hide from you, each other things they think are after them will certainly lower their stress level and allow them to live a more natural life than living in an open cage.

 

[navasima]

cool - thanks twocrows