Camden, Ohio (Preble County)

[Fishychix]

There are always garage kept quail??

As long as you dont mind scraping snow off your car . I booted mine out for that very reason.

Okay, So I finally got in touch with someone in the admin office and they said

...there are NO BYC allowed in Camden

This is extremely disappointing to hear (especially since I considered Camden such a wonderful town because of its small town charm)

I still have a chance if the OHIO HB 124 ends up passing! So let's just keep our fingers crossed!

I dont like how it’s written. I would like more discussion on this though. On another thread probably, lol. Unless I read it wrong, I can only have my chickens OR my rabbits. It states units of animals per square feet. I have just under 1/3rd an acre. Animals are classified into units, or parts of units. I cant remember anything else off the top of my head.

 

[Stephie-Pie]

As long as you dont mind scraping snow off your car . I booted mine out for that very reason.

I dont like how it’s written. I would like more discussion on this though. On another thread probably, lol. Unless I read it wrong, I can only have my chickens OR my rabbits. It states units of animals per square feet. I have just under 1/3rd an acre. Animals are classified into units, or parts of units. I cant remember anything else off the top of my head.

Are you referring to HB 124?

 

[Fishychix]

Are you referring to HB 124?

Yes

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Wow. Not seen HB124. if that passes I lose my livestock, including my quiet rabbits in stacked cages that take up 16sqft per four rabbits and nobody knows are there but are totally legal. This is disaterous.

 

[Fishychix]

Yes

4) The number of units of small livestock kept, harbored,
bred, or maintained on the residential property divided by the
acreage of the residential property exceeds a ratio of one small
livestock unit per one acre of residential property, in
accordance with the small livestock unit chart as follows:
Small livestock unit chart Type of animal: Unit measurement:
Goat 1 goat = 0.3 unit
Page 9

H. B. No. 124 As Introduced
Chicken or similar fowl
Rabbit or similar small animal
Page 10
1 fowl = 0.05 unit
1 animal = 0.05 unit

(C) Division (B)(4) of this section does not apply to a
person if a local government, by law, allows the number of units
of small livestock kept, harbored, bred, or maintained on a
parcel of residential property to exceed a ratio of one small
livestock unit per one acre of residential property, and the
person is in compliance with that law.

I copied the part I was talking about, so it looks weird.

 

[Fishychix]

Wow. Not seen HB124. if that passes I lose my livestock, including my quiet rabbits in stacked cages that take up 16sqft per four rabbits and nobody knows are there but are totally legal. This is disaterous.

I just dont know if Im reading it right or not. You can look it up also.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

I just dont know if Im reading it right or not. You can look it up also.

I did. I would be limited to five animals (chickens AND rabbits) TOTAL on my lot.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA133-HB-124

 

[Stephie-Pie]

4) The number of units of small livestock kept, harbored,
bred, or maintained on the residential property divided by the
acreage of the residential property exceeds a ratio of one small
livestock unit per one acre of residential property, in
accordance with the small livestock unit chart as follows:
Small livestock unit chart Type of animal: Unit measurement:
Goat 1 goat = 0.3 unit
Page 9

H. B. No. 124 As Introduced
Chicken or similar fowl
Rabbit or similar small animal
Page 10
1 fowl = 0.05 unit
1 animal = 0.05 unit

(C) Division (B)(4) of this section does not apply to a
person if a local government, by law, allows the number of units
of small livestock kept, harbored, bred, or maintained on a
parcel of residential property to exceed a ratio of one small
livestock unit per one acre of residential property, and the
person is in compliance with that law.

I copied the part I was talking about, so it looks weird.

To clarify for you all The bill actually addresses this very issue. This bill will NOT change any laws that are currently in place for those already allowed to have livestock, this bill is only for cities/towns/districts who do not permit or ban small livestock... such as those in residential zoned areas. This would be a state-wide MINIMUM allowance on BYC but CAN be exceeded if your Area already allows it. I will try to find that section for you all and will post it for you.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

To clarify for you all The bill actually addresses this very issue. This bill will NOT change any laws that are currently in place for those already allowed to have livestock, this bill is only for cities/towns/districts who do not permit or ban small livestock... such as those in residential zoned areas. This would be a state-wide MINIMUM allowance on BYC but CAN be exceeded if your Area already allows it. I will try to find that section for you all and will post it for you.

No, it DOES change it unfortunately. For example my lot has no city or county wide regulations on it. It's just totally unaddressed and I know for a fact from dealings with the city that it defaults to Ohio state law - something I've had to refer to over the years as neighbors have challenged my legally owned chickens. Therefore the law default for my city becomes this law - and my entire farm becomes illegal.

This would not only wreck me but most microfarms and urban agriculturalists who live in unregulated areas. It would destroy most of the rabbit breeders I know who keep 6-12 rabbits in small spaces because they're unobtrusive. This would be tragic. Most of us operate in areas where animal counts are unregulated BECAUSE they're some of the few we can operate out of. If I were to move, say, into Cleveland proper (I'm in a near suburb) my actions would be much more strictly regulated than they are here and I would be paying a lot of overhead I can't afford in fees and licensing and inspections. As it stands since it's unregulated and defaults to Ohio state law it's basically permissible as long as it's not an external nuisance, health hazard or cruelty to animals. If Ohio passes a law regulating it, the default looks different.

The idea that rabbit need to be kept 5 to 1/4 acre is just... The worst thing I've read in years. Luckily for me I talked to a lawyer friend and it's currently an unpopular bill with almost no sponsors or motion in the system. And it may be illegal to pass as-is based on the 5th amendment and no grandfathering clause.

Please bear in mind that this does not set a legal required minimum. They could 100% phrase it that way if they wanted it to only set a minimum legal allowance but that is not how it is phrased. It also sets a legally required maximum and until that's taken out there's no way this won't hurt a lot of people within our industries.

 

[Stephie-Pie]

Here you go (The latest version of the bill)

You will find the answer here: Applicability of Local Regulations

"The small livestock unit chart does not apply to a person if a local government, by law, allows the number of units of small livestock kept on a parcel of residential property to exceed a ratio of one small livestock unit per one acre of residential property, and the person is in Office of Research and Drafting LSC Legislative Budget Office P a g e | 4 H.B. 124 As Introduced compliance with that law.5 This provision effectively allows a person to keep more small livestock on their property than the person would otherwise be allowed under the bill if authorized by a local authority. For example, if a municipal corporation allows a person to keep chickens and does not restrict the number of chickens that the person may keep, the restrictions established in the small unit livestock chart would not apply."

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