Can a BCM be white?

[amazondoc]

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Hey there. I did get the PM, thanks! Very interesting. I'm busy digesting it!

These chicks looked pretty much like my last batch. I've got wheatens from 3 different sources now -- Cottage Hill, Bev Davis, and these. It will be very interesting to see how these youngest ones develop.

And it's very interesting also what you're saying about the mahogany and chick down. My cochin chicks, all wheaten, have very noticeable differences in down color. Some are yer basic yellow, while some are distinctly ruddy. I had been wondering about mahogany with them.

 

[Krys109uk]

Isn't salmon silver wheaten plus mahogany?

In the case of faverolles yes, but in the case of Marans no. Hobby name confusion again.

Gold & silver salmon Marans are e+, similar to welsumers, the gold salmon looking like the partridge wellie but without mahogany & the silver salmon looking like the silver duckwing wellie.​

 

[blackdotte]

Salmon is a Silver Wheaten with Mahogany.
It is not uncommon for Wheatens to have either Mahogany,and/or Dilute in their genotype. This gives a range in colour from a Cream Wheaten (mh+/mh+ Di/Di) to Clay (Mh/Mh di+/di+).

The removal of the Wheaten gene from Black Coppers is not a difficult process. Mating these Black Coppers that carry Wheaten will result in Wheatens,Black Coppers carrying Wheaten, and genetically correct Black Coppers in a ratio of 1:2:1. This requires some cost ,time,effort and production of culls, but I thing it would be worthwhile.

As far as not being able to tell a Wheaten,Golden Salmon & Black Copper males apart I feel is either inexperience (not knowing what to look for ) , ignorance (not bothering to find out) or just laziness.
David

 

[amazondoc]

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The French Marans Club site says that salmon is e+ .

http://marans-club.club.fr/saumang.htm#SAUM

 

[Krys109uk]

The French Marans Club site says that salmon is e+ .

Well quite. One only has to look at the birds to see they're wild type. Or look at the chicks. (there are more pics on this page.
http://marans-club.club.fr/saum.htm#saum

As far as not being able to tell a Wheaten,Golden Salmon & Black Copper males apart I feel is either inexperience (not knowing what to look for ) , ignorance (not bothering to find out) or just laziness.

That's as may be. But one can easily see how French farmers, especially those with no real interest in breeding for anything other than eggs & a good carcass, might well not notice the difference.​

 

[blackdotte]

Confusion is again caused by hobby names.
Salmon in Faverolles etc is a Wheaten (eWh) based Silver with Mahogany. How they got this name heaven knows.
Salmon in Marans ,as in Golden or Silver Marans, refers to the salmon coloured breast of the hens. This is the wild type Duckwing (e+).
So although confusing both statements are correct in hobby terms but not in genetic terms.
In regard to French farmers, I agree, & it has been one of the constant complaints of the MCF and French breeders, especially when they sell birds or eggs off farms as purebred stock,
David

 

[Krys109uk]

In regard to French farmers, I agree, & it has been one of the constant complaints of the MCF and French breeders, especially when they sell birds or eggs off farms as purebred stock,

Well quite. I don't know whether you've been to France but Marans, usually copper blacks, are kept & often bred by all & sundry, rather like Light Sussex in Britain. They're a frequent farmyard dual purpose breed, a job for which they very appropriate.​