can mandarin ducks breed with call ducks?

[Speceider]

Mandarin ducks have an extra chromosome, so if they were to mix I'd doubt the eggs would even be fertile.

I want to see the reference of the extra chromosome. Delacour cited that in The Waterfowl of the World, without clear reference to the original citation. If it's the citation I am thinking it is, that's incorrect.

Clint

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

dont know anything about chromosomes, as I have said before, but the simple fact is... mandarins and wood ducks are the two most commonly kept species around the world in this class of waterfowl. Yet with all the hybrids out there, show me a mandarin one...it's that simple....

Dont know what it is, not a scientist, but there's something about them that prevents muling, plain and simple...
virtually every onther species commonly kept can, will, does, and has photo evidence of mules within in it.... just show me a true mandarin hybrid and we'll be done with this.... til then...it's just doesnt happen, dont care why.... and if it ever has, it's a freak of nature and should be worth millions cause it'd be a one of a kind

 

[Speceider]

Hmm..admit you're not a scientist...but blow off papers by people like Paul Johnsgard (he has
Many peer-reviewed papers on waterfowl hybrid and Bill Dilger (who also has a lot of papers), never mind that Frank Bellrose in his book on wood ducks refers to "few hybrids"...I actually believe it's more related to Patrictia Brennan's work....

Clint

 

[destinduck]

Lots of different hybrids out there granted .Woodduck and mallard derived abound. But I have never seen nor ever heard of a regular manderin cross with anything. Blunt and to the point. Show me the bird. And for all the scientists out there even better yet, PROVE IT with documented photos and the papers to go with all how it came about and then show me the bird!!!!

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

That's been my simple point the entire time too Shawn.
Honestly I could care less about who wrote what, that honestly dont mean squat. Have they ever made it happen in the real world is the question?
The answer is no. This has been debated all over the world and is on about every poultry forum out there. Yes, anything is possible, BUT stop talking about it and just simply show me one. You cant or you already would have over a year ago when we first had this discussion. All I keep hearing is so and so wrote this about it, or this guys paper says...and you yourself have stated many time that Joe Blow wrote a paper that is incorrect, some one else proved them wrong, now this guys paper is the best and most accurate, etc etc that honestly is pointless.... just show me one is all I ask.
I base my statement off personal experience with them for many years, as well as all the fellow breeders who have the same real world hands on breedings with them in mass community pens of mixed species. With thousands upon thousands of mandarins in people hands now a days, it would be fairly common to see. This isnt a rare species thats hard to find. Virtually every waterfowl keeper has mandarins, and I would dare say 99% of them are kept in mixed species community pens. Come to think of it. I have never seen a collection with just mandarins in it aside from the few that just only have mandarins.

Science is based on proving theories, my proof is this fact. With the mass scale of birds in captivity and the sheer absence of any documentation (photo evidence) of any form of hybrid from them, thus I conclude it just isnt physically possible. Call it a chromosome, or whatever, I really dont care. For some reason known only to God I guess, mandarins just dont hybridize. With all the birds bred over the years, It would have popped up countless time by now just like it has in all the other species.
For decades, it's been said to be caused by the number of chromosomes they have. This may or may not be true, again dont care. The fact is, there is something about their genetics that prevents cross fertilization from any other species.

Show me some hard facts, not just throw around names of people who wrote stuff, any one can do that, and we can go further into it. Personally, I'd love to see one, should make for an extremely unique bird.

 

[destinduck]

Yeah its definitely one of the great mysteries. Everyone in the duck world has kept mandies and woodies together at one time or another also let alone mallard type ducks. Sometimes for years on end(myself included) and not the first hybrid of those ever neither.

 

[Mbhabeeb]

i'm having a muscovy duck and a male mallard duck mating together would thier eggs be fertile

 

[Mark HSV-AL]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbhabeeb

i'm having a muscovy duck and a male mallard duck mating together would thier eggs be fertile
Is the muscovy a female?

Yes, the eggs will hatch.

 

[Mbhabeeb]

wow thats amazing am imagining how the cross-breed would look like thankz the answer muscovy and a mallard

 

[Mbhabeeb]

can a guinea fowl and a chicken mate together to give a fertile egg