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Could absolutely be mixes then.I’m not exactly sure where she got them. I think multiple places. I thought she said the black was an Australorp but the red one isn’t even in the list her son gave me. These were actually her childrens. She has a homestead but is working on a building project with a new business so she needed to downsize.
Wrong pattern and ear lobe color.Don't know what the top one is but the second picture looks similar to a Welsummer
Wrong body conformation too.Wrong pattern and ear lobe color.
I agree. The second one especially.Could absolutely be mixes then.