Wow, I'd say you almost have to cull. With the guts showing like that, ointment and cleaning are going to do nothing. A vet MIGHT be able to do surgery, but that is going to be insanely expensive, and might not even work.
:cd My Girl has a large Bloody hole into her back side(graffic photo)
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Thanks for the info Here is another picture of the area after about 3 hrs since cleaning. I do not think it is prolapse. and I do not give her pellets I give them a mash with oyster shell in it.
it seem to be drying out.
it seem to be drying out.
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Someone just ripped her up didn't they? It's looking better. An in-water vitamin supplement probably wouldn't hurt, nor would a little extra protein - maybe egg for full nutrients - for healing.
Nice job on cleaning her up. It still looks atrocious, but most poultry injuries do. The inflammation seems to be backing off a bit, too.
Incidentally, is the mash a laying mash with a 6:1 cal/phos level?
Nice job on cleaning her up. It still looks atrocious, but most poultry injuries do. The inflammation seems to be backing off a bit, too.
Incidentally, is the mash a laying mash with a 6:1 cal/phos level?
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jaku i don't think there are any guts showing i think thank is the cloaca
I feel you have gotten excellent advice from threehorses. She could be fine in a few days or a week.
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This is the feed I use
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Jaku
You are a bit tackky, good thing My wife did not see your post. You should change your handle to the Grim Reaper of our feathered friends. Beside I do not think I would run to your site to solve my problem. Two weeks ago my mother-inlaw's Dr. want to cut off her legs, sores, we said no thanks, Two week later he told her what ever I (me) was doing to keep doing it. Cutting off the head inspite of the body is not exactly what advice I was looking for. My you rest in pease.
Wheelon
You are a bit tackky, good thing My wife did not see your post. You should change your handle to the Grim Reaper of our feathered friends. Beside I do not think I would run to your site to solve my problem. Two weeks ago my mother-inlaw's Dr. want to cut off her legs, sores, we said no thanks, Two week later he told her what ever I (me) was doing to keep doing it. Cutting off the head inspite of the body is not exactly what advice I was looking for. My you rest in pease.
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The feed looks fine - the normal nearly 6:1 calcium. Still provide oyster shell. Here's why...
First, calcium absorbtion is a three-legged (at least) stool. The three legs are calcium, vitamin D3, and phosphorus.
Phorphorus is rarely a problem as far as deficiencies go because grains are high in phosphorus, and poultry are mainly cereal eating creatures. It's more often a problem when people add grains to the diet in too-high numbers. Then the body, thinking "survival over egg laying" will extract calcium from the shell-making process to keep the body alive. That's how softer shelled eggs often start (resulting in birds pushing to get them out) and eventually shell-less eggs, egg binding, etc.
Vitamin D is usually supplemented in good amounts in laying-purpose feeds such as yours. It's an oil vitamin, so sometimes (particularly in bad storage) it depletes from the feed to some degree. Adding a little vitamin D helps this. You don't want to use much. But occassional supplementation with fortified wheat germ oil, cod liver oil, or yogurt is a benefit if don't only occassionally.
The problem is usually calcium. Hens average at a need of 6 parts calcium to one part phos. However some hens can need as much as 15:1! Feed manufacturers won't supplement the feeds this high because forced high calcium levels would be harmful to the average bird.
That's why we offer oyster shells (not egg shells). Oyster shell readily dissolves, making its calcium highly bioavailable. Hens are built with an instinct to supplement themselves with calcium if they need more than the average hen. That's why you offer it to the side, not mixed in feed. I like to put my oyster shell and grit in the same container - one on each side.
The hens who need 15:1 but don't need more phos or D will get their calcium in a good useable source through oyster shell.
Your girls are just starting. LIkely they don't have a whole few months' worth of calcium built up. So adding oyster shell here through their last days really does help.
You might see a few excess calcium bits on your eggs always. Not a lot, but a few at the ends. Just 'freckles" i call them. That's when your eggs are perfect.
Hope this helps!
As for seeing guts now, I believe what is being seen is the fat layers that are between the usually present skin and the muscle. The skin is missing, but skin in very large amounts can granulate back in. With this wound, it will be important to keep monitoring it to make sure it stays good.
Chickens are remarkably resilient!
First, calcium absorbtion is a three-legged (at least) stool. The three legs are calcium, vitamin D3, and phosphorus.
Phorphorus is rarely a problem as far as deficiencies go because grains are high in phosphorus, and poultry are mainly cereal eating creatures. It's more often a problem when people add grains to the diet in too-high numbers. Then the body, thinking "survival over egg laying" will extract calcium from the shell-making process to keep the body alive. That's how softer shelled eggs often start (resulting in birds pushing to get them out) and eventually shell-less eggs, egg binding, etc.
Vitamin D is usually supplemented in good amounts in laying-purpose feeds such as yours. It's an oil vitamin, so sometimes (particularly in bad storage) it depletes from the feed to some degree. Adding a little vitamin D helps this. You don't want to use much. But occassional supplementation with fortified wheat germ oil, cod liver oil, or yogurt is a benefit if don't only occassionally.
The problem is usually calcium. Hens average at a need of 6 parts calcium to one part phos. However some hens can need as much as 15:1! Feed manufacturers won't supplement the feeds this high because forced high calcium levels would be harmful to the average bird.
That's why we offer oyster shells (not egg shells). Oyster shell readily dissolves, making its calcium highly bioavailable. Hens are built with an instinct to supplement themselves with calcium if they need more than the average hen. That's why you offer it to the side, not mixed in feed. I like to put my oyster shell and grit in the same container - one on each side.
The hens who need 15:1 but don't need more phos or D will get their calcium in a good useable source through oyster shell.
Your girls are just starting. LIkely they don't have a whole few months' worth of calcium built up. So adding oyster shell here through their last days really does help.
You might see a few excess calcium bits on your eggs always. Not a lot, but a few at the ends. Just 'freckles" i call them. That's when your eggs are perfect.
Hope this helps!
As for seeing guts now, I believe what is being seen is the fat layers that are between the usually present skin and the muscle. The skin is missing, but skin in very large amounts can granulate back in. With this wound, it will be important to keep monitoring it to make sure it stays good.
Chickens are remarkably resilient!
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What about DE I finally found some. How should I use it so they can have a dust bath?
Am I the only one lost?
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