Chamois Spitzhaubens breeding help.

[2Spitz1Hauben]

I have silver spangled and chamois spitzhaubens. In my area I'm able to get silver spangles from multiple sources.
( including a 3 hour drive for one.)
I'm the only one in my area I've seen so far with the Chamois. I ordered eggs online and hatched them out. I have two hens and 3 roos from 24 eggs. This group is kept with gold laced wyandotte hens to keep the boys happy And the hens from being over bred.

My question is. If crossing a chamois roo over a silver spangled hen produces chamois hens. Can I in theory use these hens to cross back into chamois pen to add genetic diversity to my little chamois flock with out damaging the pattern? Keeping in mind I'm selecting for best forward facing crest in both lines.

 

[NatJ]

I have silver spangled and chamois spitzhaubens. In my area I'm able to get silver spangles from multiple sources.
( including a 3 hour drive for one.)
I'm the only one in my area I've seen so far with the Chamois. I ordered eggs online and hatched them out. I have two hens and 3 roos from 24 eggs. This group is kept with gold laced wyandotte hens to keep the boys happy And the hens from being over bred.

My question is. If crossing a chamois roo over a silver spangled hen produces chamois hens. Can I in theory use these hens to cross back into chamois pen to add genetic diversity to my little chamois flock with out damaging the pattern? Keeping in mind I'm selecting for best forward facing crest in both lines.

If you cross the Chamois rooster over the Silver Spangled Hen, yes you could reasonably use the daughters in the Chamois pen.

The genes that cause spangling should be the same in both colors, so that will not get messed up.

Gold rooster/silver hen is a cross that produces sexlinks. The gold daughters do not carry silver, so putting them with the other gold birds (Chamois) will not cause any problems there.

The chicks from this cross will carry one gene for Dominant White (makes the spangles be white) and one gene that allows the spangles to be black (like in the Silver Spangled.) This combination can allow bits of black in the areas that should be white. Crossing back to Chamois for another generation will probably give you some birds that do not have any black leakage.

Because the Chamois pullets from that cross are carrying the gene that allows the spangles to be black, if you breed them into your flock of Chamois, you will have a chance of producing some Gold Spangled chicks at some point in the future (same gold base color, but the spangles would be black instead of white.) If that idea bothers you, there are ways to breed out that gene over the next few generations. But if the idea does not bother you, then go ahead and use the pullets without worrying about it.

If you want to get more of the genetics from the Silver Spangled flock into your Chamois flock, you could take one of the mixed roosters (who probably looks white with a few bits of black and gold leakage), and cross him with Silver Spangled hens. About 1/4 of his daughters should be Chamois colored and could be added to your Chamois pen. Another 1/4 of the daughters should be Gold Spangled, which could be handy if you want to start a pen of Gold Spangled Spitzhaubens too. Breeding Gold Spangled hens to the Chamois rooster should give you more Chamois chicks too.

 

[2Spitz1Hauben]

If you cross the Chamois rooster over the Silver Spangled Hen, yes you could reasonably use the daughters in the Chamois pen.

The genes that cause spangling should be the same in both colors, so that will not get messed up.

Gold rooster/silver hen is a cross that produces sexlinks. The gold daughters do not carry silver, so putting them with the other gold birds (Chamois) will not cause any problems there.

The chicks from this cross will carry one gene for Dominant White (makes the spangles be white) and one gene that allows the spangles to be black (like in the Silver Spangled.) This combination can allow bits of black in the areas that should be white. Crossing back to Chamois for another generation will probably give you some birds that do not have any black leakage.

Because the Chamois pullets from that cross are carrying the gene that allows the spangles to be black, if you breed them into your flock of Chamois, you will have a chance of producing some Gold Spangled chicks at some point in the future (same gold base color, but the spangles would be black instead of white.) If that idea bothers you, there are ways to breed out that gene over the next few generations. But if the idea does not bother you, then go ahead and use the pullets without worrying about it.

If you want to get more of the genetics from the Silver Spangled flock into your Chamois flock, you could take one of the mixed roosters (who probably looks white with a few bits of black and gold leakage), and cross him with Silver Spangled hens. About 1/4 of his daughters should be Chamois colored and could be added to your Chamois pen. Another 1/4 of the daughters should be Gold Spangled, which could be handy if you want to start a pen of Gold Spangled Spitzhaubens too. Breeding Gold Spangled hens to the Chamois rooster should give you more Chamois chicks too.

Thank you for taking the time to answer with such detail! This gives me a great starting point and the possibilities of gold spangled spitz sounds awesome.