Cherry Eggers Vs the Real Rhode Island Reds

[Chris09]

No a Cherry Egger is not a sex linked chicken.
It is a crossbreed chicken. New Hampshire x Rhode Island Red. I've never seen a CE with white in thier plumage.

Different hatcheries have different cross to create there "Cherry Egger" /Production Red.
One of the best crosses that a few hatcheries use is indeed a sex-link cross of a Brown Leghorn over a Rhode Island Red so there would be no white plumage.

Chris

 

[draye]

Different hatcheries have different cross to create there "Cherry Egger" /Production Red.
One of the best crosses that a few hatcheries use is indeed a sex-link cross of a Brown Leghorn over a Rhode Island Red so there would be no white plumage.

Chris

Chris,
Just curious how is putting a Brown Leghorn over Rhode Island Red creating a sex-link? Would you not need silver hens for red sl and barred hens for black sl?

 

[Chris09]

Chris,
Just curious how is putting a Brown Leghorn over Rhode Island Red creating a sex-link? Would you not need silver hens for red sl and barred hens for black sl?

The post below is a post that tadkerson did in the Sex-link sticky here https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/261208/sex-linked-information

Feather Sexing Chicks

Color sexing chicks can be a difficult task and is dependent upon the phenotype of the chick. If a chick does not have the correct down color, then you can not color sex the chick. There is a way of using another sex-linked trait to sex chicks based upon the size of the primary and secondary feathers on the wing of a newly hatched chick.

Feather sexing chicks can be accomplished by crossing males that are homozygous for rapid feather growth or carry two rapid feather growth alleles ( k+/k+) with females that are hemizygous or carry only one slow feather growth allele ( K/_W).

The female parent contributes a dominant gene for slow feather growth (K) to all the male offspring while the female offspring will inherit only one rapid feather growth allele ( k+) from the father. This cross produces males that have slow feather growth (K/k+) and females that have rapid feather growth (k+/_W).


The following site provides an excellent example of how to tell the difference between a rapid feathering female (pullet) chick and a slow feathering male (cockerel) chick. You have to examine the feathers on the wings of the newly hatched chick. Wait until the down dries and examine the wing feathers.

http://animalsciences.missouri.edu/reprod/ReproTech/Feathersex/sld006.htm


The table below contains some of the birds that can be crossed to produce chicks that can be feather sexed.

Any of the males in the table, can be crossed with any of the females in the table to produce offspring that can be feather sexed. If you purchased your birds from a hatchery, check with the hatchery to see if the hatchery feather sexed the birds you purchased. If your stock was feather sexed, then the chickens can not be used for feather sexing crosses.

Chris

 

[catdaddyfro]

No a Cherry Egger is not a sexlinked chicken.
It is a crossbreed chicken. New Hampshire x Rhode Island Red. I've never seen a CE with white in thier plumage.

Red sex-links don't have white in their plumage! Gold or brown sex-links do, because they are half dominant white from the dam side . Red sexlinks look almost like the sires Pro-reds, NHs, RIRs whatever red(gold gene) cock is used for the cross. The pullets feather out to look just like the sire, sometimes a little lighter red in color because of the recessive white (silver gene) dam used. Red sexlinks can be from many different breeds of chickens crossed. The most popular cross is Big red roo from a prodution type layer breed crossed onto Delaware or Silver-laced Wyandottes the female offspring will be (red with black tails no white anywhere) the white comes from using a dominant white hen as White Leghorn and most likely White Rocks or so-called (by the hatcheries) R .I. Whites (which they are not) because they are not Rose combed but that's an altogether different topic LOL This cross yields a buff/golden or brown color in the pyle area(head, neck, and wing bows) and white posterior end (tails, rump and some in the wing flight feathers too)

To sum it all up a Cherry Eggers=(production red, RIR, red sex-links) could be altogether different at one hatchery than the next. It all depends on what they choose to call their own version of the mix they use to make them.

 

[Chris09]

Draye,

This rooster below is a Sex-link, He is out of a fast feathering American Gamefowl Rooster and a slow feathering Rhode Island Red Hen. He is the Male parent stock for a few production lines I'm working on.




Chris

 

[draye]

Draye,

This rooster below is a Sex-link, He is out of a fast feathering American Gamefowl Rooster and a slow feathering Rhode Island Red Hen. He is the Male parent stock for a few production lines I'm working on.




Chris

Pretty rooster. Wished I had more room so that I could do more experimenting on this to see if I could make it come out right.

The post below is a post that tadkerson did in the Sex-link sticky here https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/261208/sex-linked-information

Feather Sexing Chicks

Color sexing chicks can be a difficult task and is dependent upon the phenotype of the chick. If a chick does not have the correct down color, then you can not color sex the chick. There is a way of using another sex-linked trait to sex chicks based upon the size of the primary and secondary feathers on the wing of a newly hatched chick.

Feather sexing chicks can be accomplished by crossing males that are homozygous for rapid feather growth or carry two rapid feather growth alleles ( k+/k+) with females that are hemizygous or carry only one slow feather growth allele ( K/_W).

The female parent contributes a dominant gene for slow feather growth (K) to all the male offspring while the female offspring will inherit only one rapid feather growth allele ( k+) from the father. This cross produces males that have slow feather growth (K/k+) and females that have rapid feather growth (k+/_W).


The following site provides an excellent example of how to tell the difference between a rapid feathering female (pullet) chick and a slow feathering male (cockerel) chick. You have to examine the feathers on the wings of the newly hatched chick. Wait until the down dries and examine the wing feathers.

http://animalsciences.missouri.edu/reprod/ReproTech/Feathersex/sld006.htm


The table below contains some of the birds that can be crossed to produce chicks that can be feather sexed.

Any of the males in the table, can be crossed with any of the females in the table to produce offspring that can be feather sexed. If you purchased your birds from a hatchery, check with the hatchery to see if the hatchery feather sexed the birds you purchased. If your stock was feather sexed, then the chickens can not be used for feather sexing crosses.

Chris

Okay.............I have to take you at your word. This is way over my head..........I'll have to sit down an study this list again. Thanks for the info.

Red sex-links don't have white in their plumage! Gold or brown sex-links do, because they are half dominant white from the dam side . Red sexlinks look almost like the sires Pro-reds, NHs, RIRs whatever red(gold gene) cock is used for the cross. The pullets feather out to look just like the sire, sometimes a little lighter red in color because of the recessive white (silver gene) dam used. Red sexlinks can be from many different breeds of chickens crossed. The most popular cross is Big red roo from a prodution type layer breed crossed onto Delaware or Silver-laced Wyandottes the female offspring will be (red with black tails no white anywhere) the white comes from using a dominant white hen as White Leghorn and most likely White Rocks or so-called (by the hatcheries) R .I. Whites (which they are not) because they are not Rose combed but that's an altogether different topic LOL This cross yields a buff/golden or brown color in the pyle area(head, neck, and wing bows) and white posterior end (tails, rump and some in the wing flight feathers too)

To sum it all up a Cherry Eggers=(production red, RIR, red sex-links) could be altogether different at one hatchery than the next. It all depends on what they choose to call their own version of the mix they use to make them.

The post below is a post that tadkerson did in the Sex-link sticky here https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/261208/sex-linked-information

Feather Sexing Chicks

Color sexing chicks can be a difficult task and is dependent upon the phenotype of the chick. If a chick does not have the correct down color, then you can not color sex the chick. There is a way of using another sex-linked trait to sex chicks based upon the size of the primary and secondary feathers on the wing of a newly hatched chick.

Feather sexing chicks can be accomplished by crossing males that are homozygous for rapid feather growth or carry two rapid feather growth alleles ( k+/k+) with females that are hemizygous or carry only one slow feather growth allele ( K/_W).

The female parent contributes a dominant gene for slow feather growth (K) to all the male offspring while the female offspring will inherit only one rapid feather growth allele ( k+) from the father. This cross produces males that have slow feather growth (K/k+) and females that have rapid feather growth (k+/_W).


The following site provides an excellent example of how to tell the difference between a rapid feathering female (pullet) chick and a slow feathering male (cockerel) chick. You have to examine the feathers on the wings of the newly hatched chick. Wait until the down dries and examine the wing feathers.

http://animalsciences.missouri.edu/reprod/ReproTech/Feathersex/sld006.htm


The table below contains some of the birds that can be crossed to produce chicks that can be feather sexed.

Any of the males in the table, can be crossed with any of the females in the table to produce offspring that can be feather sexed. If you purchased your birds from a hatchery, check with the hatchery to see if the hatchery feather sexed the birds you purchased. If your stock was feather sexed, then the chickens can not be used for feather sexing crosses.

Chris

Okay...I didn't know that feather sexing was the same as sex-link. I thought that sexlink was being able to tell at hatch the sex of the chick.
Feather sexing---------well I thought that was exactly what it was feather sexing. I've heard of this about all my life ( never heared of sexlinked until about 3 to 4 years ago).

 

[A.T. Hagan]

This thread is an excellent illustration with the problems of these names that people make up such as "Cherry Eggers" and "Production Reds." It doesn't take long for them to be applied to a great many kinds of birds to the point that they cause more confusion than anything else.

"Cherry Egger" is not a name I've heard used down here in Florida away from the Internet boards. But like "Production Red" if I wanted to know exactly what they were bred from I'd ask the breeder or hatchery they where they originated. It's really the only way to know for sure.

 

[draye]

This thread is an excellent illustration with the problems of these names that people make up such as "Cherry Eggers" and "Production Reds." It doesn't take long for them to be applied to a great many kinds of birds to the point that they cause more confusion than anything else.
"Cherry Egger" is not a name I've heard used down here in Florida away from the Internet boards. But like "Production Red" if I wanted to know exactly what they were bred from I'd ask the breeder or hatchery they where they originated. It's really the only way to know for sure.

This is why I thought they were New Hampshire roo over RIR hens. That is what Cackle hatchery says about their Cherry Eggers anyway.

 

[catdaddyfro]

This thread is an excellent illustration with the problems of these names that people make up such as "Cherry Eggers" and "Production Reds." It doesn't take long for them to be applied to a great many kinds of birds to the point that they cause more confusion than anything else.
"Cherry Egger" is not a name I've heard used down here in Florida away from the Internet boards. But like "Production Red" if I wanted to know exactly what they were bred from I'd ask the breeder or hatchery they where they originated. It's really the only way to know for sure.

Yes you said a mouthful on your first part of the post.
Now,on the second is, I'd be willing to bet that the breeder/or hatchery wouldn't be able to tell you the "real" make-up of them either because they simply don't know. If you order say 100 cherry eggers I'd be willing to bet you that they sure wouldn't turn out to all look like "peas in a pod" because they are not all the same and I'm sure not all(the hatching eggs) came from the same breeder all they are is a rendition of some kind of Red colored production egg-layer whether it be their version of Rhode Island Reds, production reds, red sex-links, New Hampshires, Cherry Eggers, Cinnamon Queens, what have you or crosses of any of the above mentioned they all get tossed into a box "generically" as XXX---xxx (something another kind of red)(whomever/whatever they want to name them) which is normal hatchery/commercial/industry type activity, fill the bill with whatever it takes to make FAST money.

Now with all that being said: I like them all, I have got some of them, and have had most of them. They all will fit the part of supplying you with loads of BIG BROWN EGGS LOL

Jeff

 

[catdaddyfro]

This is why I thought they were New Hampshire roo over RIR hens. That is what Cackle hatchery says about their Cherry Eggers anyway.

They for the most part of them are that kind of cross at Cackle,maybe,? but another big name brand hatchery just right down the road 20 or so miles may have the same or just the exact opposite of the cross and call them the same thing because they can. There's no patent on: cherry egger, red sexlink, production red, or ect... so stir up the ingredients to your taste to make a high egg producing red layer and call them what you will. I'ts a sales pitch is all in the world it is, and a good one, a very lucrative one too! LOL