Cherry Eggers Vs the Real Rhode Island Reds

[catdaddyfro]

Buy from people on here who are reputable, or go to the American Poultry Association website and find breeders of the breeds you are interested in. Check them out and ask around this forum. But really, there is no reason to go elsewhere when you can get birds from the wonderful people on this site. Just check out your state (and/or surrounding states) thread and see who is around and what they have.

For your information, white leghorns are not used for sex-link crosses. They are dominant white, which means when they are crossed the offspring end up mostly white (see Google images for Austrawhite). Cherry eggers CANNOT be used to produce sex-links since they are themselves sex-linked. The sexing thread is mentioned/linked/quoted on page 2 of this one if you're interested in learning more about sex-linked genetics.

Have you ever seen a Gold sex-link(golden comet, Red star, golden buff, Isa brown ect...) chicken it is half white and red. A red(gold gene) rooster over a dominant white hen produces a white male with red in the pyle zone( wing bows,hackles and saddles) and produces a female with red/buff base color with white in the neck, wing flight feathers and main tail. So yes they do use them for make a color sexing bird they only thing is that they (white leghorns) could be recessive white and mask black and that would throw a whole "nother" scenario into the mix. Austra- white is a black and white chicken cross. Red and white in chicken colors is a science all on its own I can't explain it but tadkerson sure can as he has on here before but I don't have the links to post it up on here now.

If the Cherry Egger being used is indeed a cross between 2 red breeds such as RIR, production red x New Hampshire or vise versa it is still a gold gened male and could be used as the gold side of a sexlink cross.
If it was a sexlink male then it wont be red(gold) it would be a half gold and half silver, therefore not Red in color.

 

[Chris09]

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For your information, white leghorns are not used for sex-link crosses. They are dominant white, which means when they are crossed the offspring end up mostly white (see Google images for Austrawhite). Cherry eggers CANNOT be used to produce sex-links since they are themselves sex-linked. The sexing thread is mentioned/linked/quoted on page 2 of this one if you're interested in learning more about sex-linked genetics.

I dont know who this was intended for but so that you know a Red Sex-link male can be used to create another Sex-link. Red Sex-link Rooster over a Barred Hen will produce Black Sex-link chicks.

Also ANY Leghorn Rooster can produce a Sex-link offspring if bred to the right hen even the White Leghorns.
When a Leghorn Rooster is crossed with slow feathering breed the Leghorn Rooster will pass his Fast Feathering Gene to his female offspring and the Slow Feathering Hen will pass her Slow Feathering Gene to her male offspring. The chicks are able to be sexed at birth just like any other Sex-link.


Chris

 

[Chris09]

It's funny how some people only see sex-links as either Red or Black and they dont think of or know the other ways to create a sex-link.
Right now I can think of a 5 way cross that will produce sex-link offspring in every cross.

Chris

 

[monnie662]

I feel your pain yet 99.9/10 of back yard chicken people think this is the real rhode island red. They have no clue about the history of chickens and what they once looked like. Then they choose the breed of their liking from the picture that is next to the name they like. They say to them selves Alice this sure is a pretty chicken. It is the standard of perfection print that was used in the APA Standard of Perfection when the colored standard came out. Yet when they get their red chickens the defend them that they got as the real Rhode Island Reds.

Whats wrong with people?

At least we got a look at some real Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds in Mississippi and no one but no one can say they can get these birds at the feed store or the back of Mother Earth News. bob

My first RIRs are Production Reds, I didn't know any better. But after I hatched my first LF RIRs I realized I had accidentally lucked up on something I was looking for and now that is all I will work with.

 

[Bullitt]

Cackle Hatchery doesn't have Rhode Island Reds. What they do have is two strains of Production Reds and Cherry Eggers.
They cross Leghorn Blood in to there lines to have the ability to Feather Sex them at birth. [that now makes them a cross bred]

Did anyone other than me see that Cackle used the same show birds picture for both Rhode Island Reds and Production.
All they did is turned the birds around.


Chris

I did notice that Cackle Hatchery's Rhode Island Reds and production reds look very similar in the pictures.

I do not know how they produce their birds. If they are using Leghorns, that would probably improve the egg-laying ability. But those birds in the pictures look like the dark red that is expected in a Rhode Island Red. I just wonder if the birds shipped by the hatchery would look that good.

 

[Chris09]

I did notice that Cackle Hatchery's Rhode Island Reds and production reds look very similar in the pictures.

I do not know how they produce their birds. If they are using Leghorns, that would probably improve the egg-laying ability. But those birds in the pictures look like the dark red that is expected in a Rhode Island Red. I just wonder if the birds shipped by the hatchery would look that good.

I will guarantee you that the birds in the show pens ain't there's.
I'v seen there birds at a local show.

Chris

 

[Robert Blosl]

What is the big deal about sex links in the first place. You can tell the sex of the chick when it comes out of the incubator?

When I was a kid we had guys how sexed chicks for a living why go through all this unless they are trying to save on labor.

With all this crossing you have a cross breed chicken using the name of a pure breed chicken. Is this Fair?

I went to tractor supply to find the mag zine I saw and read Kelly Kober article in about Production Reds and he used the term sex linked. I did not pay much attention to the article
I know what the feed stores are getting and selling to the public they are just going to get the name Cherry Eggers . I dont care what shade of brown, yellow or white they are they are not Rhode Island Reds and to me they will be Cherry Eggers.

As I was going through the magazines looking for this article you should have seen the pictures of these chickens. What a bunch of want to be birds.

The only thing that has some look of a good looking chicken is the bantams at least they have pretty good color.

There is on thing I thought of and think about this. Out of 100 people who buy chicks every year maybe only 5 or 10 have incubators. Many of them get the cheap Styrofoam ones and have horrible hatches. So with their poor skills the only way they can have chickens is to get these mailed to their home or get them at Tractor Supply.

The old man that works at the feed store told me people have no idea where there food comes from. They think eggs come from Wall Mart and are made in a factory. The chickens that they buy to eat are raised super fast and they have no idea how old they are, what feed was used to push them to such a fast growth rate. Many of these people need to learn how to raise their chickens and learn from the school of hard knocks be for they get into trying to breed chickens. It is a very hard thing to learn to do. They normally pick a breed that is most difficult to breed for a skilled Poultry Person. This leaves me to a Question.

What breeds are the worse for a beginner to get into because of the difficulty to breed for color or shape?



Blue Rocks

Blue Andalusia's

Cornish Large Fowl

 

[Robert Blosl]

Looks like the cherry eggers are dead. God rest their souls. Next year 50,000 chicks will be sold and maybe 100 Rhode Island Reds the real ones will make it to some ones yards..

Im hooked on the slow egg laying kind. bob

 

[A.T. Hagan]

Bob, you've got the Summer Blues here. This too shall pass. Fall will come. The birds will molt and folks will be back to showing what they got.

 

[sharman]

WOW,,,,just came accross this link,,i love your RIR,S,,,,the cock is so handsome,,,im jelous