Chick/ Duck starter issue?

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i totally agree 100% i never understood why it is thought that birds who get angel wing are thought to have high protein levels. it was always weird to me!!! i fed mine game bird starter then layer pellets and they are perfectly healthy and wonderful duckie brats. and mine too also go nuts over catfood. duckie often breaks free from my room to run into my mom's room where there is a big bowl of catfood. you best believe if there is a cat there it will be chased if it doesn't get scared of my big boy on it's own! lol
 
My calls are 1 wek old. All I could find locally was Nutrina game bird feeder. It has niacin, because I didn't want to have to add niacin. It is 27% protein, which I think is a little high. I took Amiga's advise and I mix I cup of rolled oats to 5 cups of game bird feeder. I crush the oats in a food processor. The young lady we gave 2 calls to was just sprinkeling the oats on the food and her babies were picking out just the oats to eat. Chopping them up a little finer seems to be working better.

Vicki
 
Hi all, looked up this thread when I searched for 'high protein'... I am feeding my ducklings Purina Flock Raiser which I believe is 20% protein. They are 2 wks old now and I understand that I need to lower them to 18% protein? I only have Flock Raiser, the feed store (and website) claim I can feed this to my ducks for the rest of their lives. Is this true, is there something I can do to lower their protein if it isn't? I would prefer to not buy anymore food...we already bought the 15lb bag of flock raiser and we aren't even 1/4 into the bag yet.

Thanks in advance for all your help!
 
I promise you if you dont cut back on protein while you are raising ducklings or geese up you increase your odds for angelwing. This is 100% fact. If you dont believe me ask any other waterfowl breeder
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I won't pretend to know whether protein levels need to be lowered or not, but if you do want to lower them, you can add rolled oats to the feed--good nutrition, low protein, and you don't have to switch feeds--just add the oats.
 
I promise you if you dont cut back on protein while you are raising ducklings or geese up you increase your odds for angelwing. This is 100% fact. If you dont believe me ask any other waterfowl breed

There are breeders who disagree. There is even a breeder with his own line of waterfowl feed and the breeder rations are 24% protein.

In the wild, ducks DO NOT get angel wing. Angel wing shows up in domestic ducks that get feed consisting of corn, soy and wheat and at parks where people feed ducks BREAD AND CRACKERS. A wild ducks diet is naturally high in protein, especially during the hatching season. They do stop in fields during fall migration and help themselves to a free corn dinner, but there isn't corn and soy available on a regular basis.

Wildlife officials have even been changing their tune about the cause of angel wing over the past few years...

"When wild ducks are fed human food (especially bread or crackers) their organs become engorged and fatty, which can cause them to suffer from heart disease, liver problems and other health complications. Bread also has very few nutrients, and can get compacted in a bird's crop. Many rehabilitators see "bread-impacted crop" in sick and distressed park ducks.

Waterfowl at artificial feeding sites are often found to suffer from poor nutrition. In a natural setting they will seek out a variety of nutritious foods such as aquatic plants, natural grains, and invertebrates. Bread is very low in protein, contains additives that wildfowl aren't built to cope with, and it's a very poor substitute for natural foods. Ducklings fed bread miss out in vital nutrients during their critical first few weeks, causing splay leg, angel wing, slipped tendons and other growing defects."
http://duckrescuenetwork.org/duck_care.html

"When a young bird eats calorie-dense, nutritionally poor foods — like bread — the growth of its feathers outpaces the development of its wing bones. Gravity pulls the heavy feathers down, and the growing bones twist outward, resulting in a syndrome known as “Angel Wing.” Bandages and physical therapy can correct the condition in young birds, but it is incurable in adults, and affected birds lose the ability to fly.

Parks and Recreation Horticulture Supervisor, Steve Nittolo, has spent several months working on ways to improve water quality in city park ponds. “It all goes back to the public dumping bread into park ponds believing they are helping feed the wild ducks, when instead they are really harming them,” Nittolo said."
http://www.spokanecity.org/services/articles/?ArticleID=1850

More...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008518282_birdjunkfood15m.html

Cutting protein in ducks only helps save money. It really isn't a big help for the bird. The fact that they can live with it doesn't mean it is optimal. After a few generations is when poor quality low protein feed becomes more of a problem. Fertility, health, etc... are all effected. If you are just raising birds to market weight, you wont notice the bad effects on your animals and it might be worth the risk for you.

I have spent the last 3 years studying endocrinology. Not because I WANTED to, but because of my own health issues. Once you understand the role of insulin and starches and sugars and how they effect health, not just for humans, but for dogs, cats, apes, and waterfowl, the whole angel wing being blamed on protein argument totally falls apart.​
 
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yes my ducks also get high protein for the breeding season,it helps them.
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I DO NOT DISAGREE.(READ MY FIRST POST AGAIN).
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Yes bread is bad for ducks ,
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yes wild ducks dont get angelwing.But for the record I have had many ducks raised for many years,in all those years I NEVER ever gave them bread. However when I first started out raising baby ducks I did not cut back on the high protein and angel wing occurred here and there.
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Now heres the kicker, I have not had angelwing none,zero,not any all since I slowly cut back on protien as they get older.
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Same duck starter, same adult food,same everything. This is a fact.not even my opinion! Angelwing doesnt occur always but this is how it has happened with me and the people I know.Read my post carefully and tell me the reason I had angelwing back then and none now.
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AGAIN this is ducklings Iam talking about! FACT PROTEIN IS a big deal in all birds and when babies are starting out they need more of it then less as they get older.
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Then more as adults during breeding season.
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there is no argument, opinion about this at all.
 
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Thanks this helps!
I'm sure if there was a flat out right or wrong answer then this question would not be debatable, everyone has different experiences and life does not always go as they should/ shouldn't. I'm happy to know I don't have to go out and buy whole new feed if I do need to lower protein though.!

I think I will keep it as is for now...angel wing is reversible yes? And just a cosmetic problem really? So IF I do have issue I can wrap wings and add some oats to their diet. If no issues, then keep going on as is...

Thank you ALL again!
 
You can fix it but don't breed a duck that has had angel wing.

While diet plays a big role there is a genetic component.
 
The highest number of cases of angel wing aren't in the wild. They are at parks where people feed them high carbohydrate breads and other grains.

Wifezilla, Are grains unhealthy for ducks. I am giving my 4 week call ducks sprouted barley and growing wheat grass for them. I also am giving them game bird feed with oats mixed in.

Vicki​
 
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