Chicken Breed Focus - Legbar

There is a lot of variation in various strains of Cream Legbars in the US. I've had the privilege of working with 2 strains, and the Jill Rees line has very much impressed me. Because of my experience with them, I do not agree with the assessment of their attitude or egg laying that is in the initial post of this thread.

I find their eggs are often large to extra large, especially from the older hens. I've even gotten some double yolk eggs, though not many (you don't want them from a breeding flock anyway). They start out as typical pullet eggs and my flock varies in age, so some might keep laying small eggs and I wouldn't really notice, but I definitely get eggs to match the Welsummers and Marans in size. I find them to lay more eggs than my other breeds that are non-commercial. They are not as good a layer as the California Greys or hybrids (like Black Sexlinks), but better than the Ameraucanas and Welsummers/Welbars, and far better than the Copper Marans.

The eggs are pretty consistent in their blue color. They fall right in the middle of all my blue egg laying breeds, bluer than the Lavender Ams, but maybe not quite as baby blue as the Silver Ams. No one has ever looked at their eggs and said they were green. Showing customers the eggs they hatch from always "seals the deal" because they are much better than any breed you will ever get from a hatchery and everyone should have a few truly blue egg layers in their flock. If you want a consistent layer of bright blue eggs, you will not be able to do better than a Cream Legbar.

As regard to temperment, I think because these are a "show line", the Jill Rees birds are exceptionally calm and docile, so much so that I do not regard them as ideal for unsupervised free ranging (they are not the brightest bulbs in the box), but more like an English Orp or Copper Marans. I often raise them with California Greys and the difference in temperment is obvious, any sudden movement will set off the CG's and they do not like to be handled, but the Legbars, even if not handled much, will calm down very quickly in your hand. My older ones are underfoot all the time, looking for handouts from me, and I have not tried to raise these as pet birds, so a large component must be genetic. As pet chickens, they are among the very best. I highly recommend the pullets for families with small children. Their appearance and general demeanor endear themselves to everyone who is around them. The autosexing is crucial because roosters are generally not allowed or desired, and this truly sets them apart from Ameraucanas, and all the other blue egg layers. None sex as easily as Cream Legbars.

If your experience with Cream Legbars has left you lukewarm about them, get some pure Jill Rees birds (or at least half JR) and I believe you will see them in a whole new light. They are the best "all around" backyard chicken, IMO. I absolutely LOVE Ameraucanas, and I will always appreciate my Welbars since they are my own creation, but if I could only have one breed, it would be the Jill Rees line of Cream Legbars.
 
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Wanted to know what you think of my 2 pullets? Thanks in advance I am new to chickens but as with anything I get interested in.... I research. I have a few of a lot of breeds but these intrigue me. I am getting a rooster soon and a few more pullets. I have read the American SOP but would like your thoughts.
 
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Its been a while since anyone has been on this thread... I'm new to having breeder produced birds and auto-sexing breeds (in 2018) but have now had hatchery stock chickens from 4 different hatcheries/barn yard crosses since Dec 2010.

I became fascinated with the CLBs in late 2017 after reading a little about them here on BYC. Then I found a local breeder who had started pullets for sale - I jumped on that before learning more about the breed. I don't know how many generations she is from GFF, but I did understand that the birds she had were from the production line(s). The first group of 3 that I got were all pretty dark colored in the box she had a picture of - I just found the crest endearing & didn't pay much attention to the color of the bird(s)... But in going through my pics, the first ones were decidedly dark. I didn't get a cockerel w/ my first batch... Of the 4 I purchased, we currently have two.

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Then I got a 2nd batch and included 3 cockerels in that purchase from the same breeder... 2 of the pullet chicks were much lighter than the other 2 and 1 of each color was 2x the size of the 2nd 2. (OY VEY - lots of 2's)... They were all hatched on the same day (so I was told).

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And I'm seeing from my own pictures, now, that you can cull as early as 11-16 weeks of age on just the comb on the cockerels... Appears that that "little curve" on the little fella, just becomes a bigger one as he matures. I had 2 other cockerels , 1 of whom had similar comb, but lost 1 in September and lost the cockerel w/ the best comb in November.

Still studying the SOP, and am a member of the CLC (just renewed for 2nd year). I'm seeing some different coloring on some of my pullets and am wondering if I have both the cream and the crele (creole?) varieties. Pretty sure I have just the cream in the cockerels. I sure do prefer the cockerels w/ the more white, than w/ the more "colored" (chestnut) - not sure yet if that is correct for any of the varieties. I don't like the creole pattern roosters at all - for pretty creole patterns, I prefer the Bielefelder & Rhodebar boys...

After seeing the White variety that breeds true - I'm fascinated!! May have to start a line of them as well.

I also have a group of JR lines - currently have 3 pullets & 2 cockerels + 2 extra cockerels that were the breeders' culls (5 given to me for no charge for soup). The 2 "soup" cockerels left are better birds than the 2 I got when I got chicks and I will be swapping them out... These were all hatched in May 2018 and not one of them is laying yet. I am expecting soon, since combs have turned red...

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When I got my JR lines, I also got two "EE's" - that are CLB Xs. I don't know what the other part of the X is, though... He just called them CLB EEs. Pretty little birds.

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Do you own Legbars? Are you a Legbar breeder? If so, please reply to this thread with the your thoughts and experiences, including:

· What made you decide to get this breed?
· Do you own them for fun? Breeding? Some other purpose?
· What are your favorite characteristics about this breed?
· Post some pics of your birds; male/female, chicks, eggs, etc!

I own 2 Cream Legbars. I used to have 3, but I recently lost my CCL rooster so now I only have my two hens left.

- My search for proficient, winter-hardy and colorful egg layers have led me to try out the Crested Cream Legbar, among several other breeds present in my coop.
- I own CCLs for fun, eggs, company and studies. The main goal is to have a reliable flock that supports me and my family through food shortages, especially during wintertime.
- I like the Crested Cream Legbar's auto-sexing trait, its beautiful plumage, its crest and its blue egg color (I avoid the green color as I use it to tell apart Easter Eggers from Ameraucanas & CCLs). Its foraging capability is also something I like very much. What I don't like is their tendency to get vocal if one hen finds another hen in any of the nests; it only takes one hen making noise for the other ladies to follow.

Here are my ladies, Lucy & Duchesse:

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Lucy lays sky blue eggs while Duchesse gives me turquoise ones. Lucy is my more prolific layer, while Duchesse, despite being bigger than her, lays smaller eggs than Lucy.

According to my notes, during her first laying season, Lucy laid 243 eggs from mid-December 2019 to mid-December 2020, without added heat or artificial light in the coop to influence her egg cycle. I was absent for 10 days, so I believe she hit the 250 egg mark while I was gone. She molted through January 2021. She hasn't started her second year of lay yet. Her biggest egg weighted 66g, and was laid on November 11, 2020. Despite my region hitting -8°C and lower, Lucy never showed any discomfort in the cold, even while she molted. Similarly, despite catching frostbite in winter 2019, neither her health or laying rate faltered from it.

As for Duchesse, her first laying season went from January 28, 2020 to September 21, 2020, during which she laid a recorded 168 eggs, and an estimated 175 eggs in total. Like Lucy, she had no heat or artificial light to influence her egg cycle. She molted through late September, October and early November before taking her winter break. She started her second laying season on February 9, 2021, although she might have begun early due to the heater I placed in the coop in late January to prevent my single comb ladies from catching frostbite like last year (the big colds were coming in). I will wean my flock off the heater as soon as we get out of winter's coldest periods (them being -15°C & lower here). Like Lucy, Duchesse never showed any signs of discomfort while living in the unheated coop. And while there is now heat, there is no artificial light. Lastly, Duchesse's biggest recorded egg weighted 57g, and was laid on August 7, 2020.

Both Crested Cream Legbars were born in June 2019 and come from the same breeder, though he had added new blood to his flock when I went to buy his hatching eggs. His (big crested) Legbars all laid turquoise eggs, while the new (small crested) hen whose egg I'd seen him collect laid sky blue eggs. Going from this, I can say that Duchesse comes from his main breeding line, while Lucy is the result of a mating to boost genetic diversity in his flock.

I'll be noting down their overall performance in 2021. Right now, they both give me colorful eggs (Duchesse' color closely resembles one of my EE's, so I prefer Lucy's) and perform well with winter hardiness, though their single combs are a handicap in freezing weather. Lucy honors her Leghorn and Plymouth ancestors by her proficient laying, enough so that she's my second best layer in the flock, coming right after my barred Plymouth (260+ eggs).

Rooster-wise, the Golden Crested Cream Legbar stands in my top five among the cocks I would go fetch if I wanted one in my backyard. I like the cream, barred plumage mixed with the rusty gold on the back & wings of the cock, with the splashes of rusty color on its neck and saddle feathers. I also like the long tail feathers, an appealing trait that most dual purpose cocks in my area seem to lack even though it's a distinctive male feature. I only regret that Teacher didn't have enough of them. He was still visually stunning though.

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Well, that's it for me. Anybody else own Legbars?
 
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For Legbar owners,
do your birds shake their head more than other breeds?
Do you find possible health defects in the breed?
Do they sometimes take more than 8 months to,lay eggs?

As a Legbar owner;
- All the chickens in my coop shake their heads several times a minute. None of them ever got sick, so i can only think they're dislodging parasites tickling their skins. I've never had an infestation of fleas and lice, so if they do have parasites their dust baths are enough to keep them in line. Also, I remarked that they shake their heads when I speak to them; I have a light voice with high tones, so I think they're sensible to high sounds. Deepening my voice lowers their head-shaking rate a bit.
- The two Legbars that I have are both resilient. They never fell sick in the year and a half that I had them.
- Not really. One of them took 6 months and a half, while the other took 7 months and a half to start laying.
 
I love my 3 cream legbars! Their called Roudy, Silver, & Chocabo. They all love to run up to anyone in the yard & jump up onto your shoulders to demand treats or scratches. Love them. They give me beautiful blue eggs to.
 

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