Was going to mention and forgot, that we do plant winter rye over this patch after we till the bedding and poo in the fall. I had thought about the black plastic, but being in the north it stays cold here til after memorial day in the spring, don't think it would heat enough to kill the weed seeds. But having said that, i do think that we may lay down some black plastic, make slits in it and plant through it in the spring. We'll have to run soaker hoses under it to water it probably. But it may be the only way to heat the soil enough for the plants to grow faster in our shorter growing season, and might also help with the weeds. Does anyone else have experience with this?