Chicken-safe rat poison sought
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I made my own bait station with a 2" pvc T, 2 pieces of 2in pvc pipe 8" long inserted into the bottom of the T and a 6" piece into the top of the T... This is fastened to my wire outside of my run. I drop a chunk of HAWK inside and put a cap on the top of the T. This way only the rats of mice can get to the poison. I have never had any other animals get sick from baiting this way or from eating dead rodents.
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This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
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I use Guineas to take care of the mice and rats.
If you can stand the noise some people just don't like guineas , I don't understand that but oh well. Guineas eat most small varmints and especially
the snakes and rats!
I personally find guineas to be a very aesthetic addition to my flock, they just balance everything out. I love guineas and ever since I added them....
no more critters, especially the creepy o
nes!Good Luck!
Kim
Georgetown Ky
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Cool! Will the guineas eat the larger adult rats, or just mice and smaller young rats? Adult rats can be fierce...
Cool! Will the guineas eat the larger adult rats, or just mice and smaller young rats? Adult rats can be fierce...
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This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
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This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
Do what you wish, and claim what you will, but I happen to know for a fact that you and your vets are wrong. Period.
I, too, can back up everything I say with the support of the majority of veterinarians, regarding both the action of poison and rodent behavior---and frankly, common sense. If people choose to use poison, that is their prerogtive, but I WILL NOT report inaccurate, patently FALSE information that any poison is safe from HIGH risk (and not minimal risk, as you claim) of secondary poisoning. It very simply and most definitely is NOT.
This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
Do what you wish, and claim what you will, but I happen to know for a fact that you and your vets are wrong. Period.
I, too, can back up everything I say with the support of the majority of veterinarians, regarding both the action of poison and rodent behavior---and frankly, common sense. If people choose to use poison, that is their prerogtive, but I WILL NOT report inaccurate, patently FALSE information that any poison is safe from HIGH risk (and not minimal risk, as you claim) of secondary poisoning. It very simply and most definitely is NOT.
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This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
I worked in an animal emergency clinic and trust me NO poison no matter what kind is safe.......if a cat or dog eats a dead rat that has injested this poison, it prob won't kill them right away, those are the ones that go into kidney/liver failure down the line, the animals that directly eat the poison have a couple days max without treatment, it is not a pleasant death for these animals....Im not saying you shouldn't use poison, Im just saying that you thinking it is safe to use around pets is absurd. I don't know what vets you are getting your info from but I wouldn't want them as My vet. So it is more or less use at your own (and animals) risk.....But don't dare be telling people that it's fine and not going to kill Fluffy or Fido, that's BS
This is ABSOLUTELY true!!! There is NO such thing as safe poison, nor poison without a HIGH secondary poisoning risk. Any vet who says otherwise should have his/her license revoked. Do your own research online, and you'll find that poisons advertised as "low secondary poisoning risk" products simply have a more concentrated amount of poison in them....the THEORY (not reality) is that since the poison is more concentrated, the rat will need less of the bait in order to die. The problem is that rats don't eat "just one bite", whether it contains enough poison or not. The feeding habits of rats are such that they eat far more than they need to survive (or die, in this case). Also, the poison doesn't act instantly (obviously) and by the time the poison attacks the rat's system, the rat has already eaten plenty of it, increasing the toxin levels in their bodies to WELL above "low risk of secondary poisoning". PLUS, when rats are dying from the poisoning, it is their nature to crawl away, not go back in their nest. This is true of most animals, they go off to die so as to protect their nest (and offspring) from predators...the smell of decaying body would draw predators to the nest and the predator would then kill the nestmates and/or babies---so crawling away to die is an instinct designed to protect the rest of the bloodline. When the rats do die, their bodies are usually very accessible to cats, dogs, and other animals who then eat the dead rat and become fatally poisoned themselves. Knowing how rats and other predators eat is crucial to knowing what is, AND IN THE CASE OF ANY POISON, isn't safe.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
I worked in an animal emergency clinic and trust me NO poison no matter what kind is safe.......if a cat or dog eats a dead rat that has injested this poison, it prob won't kill them right away, those are the ones that go into kidney/liver failure down the line, the animals that directly eat the poison have a couple days max without treatment, it is not a pleasant death for these animals....Im not saying you shouldn't use poison, Im just saying that you thinking it is safe to use around pets is absurd. I don't know what vets you are getting your info from but I wouldn't want them as My vet. So it is more or less use at your own (and animals) risk.....But don't dare be telling people that it's fine and not going to kill Fluffy or Fido, that's BS
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I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
Do what you wish, and claim what you will, but I happen to know for a fact that you and your vets are wrong. Period.
I, too, can back up everything I say with the support of the majority of veterinarians, regarding both the action of poison and rodent behavior---and frankly, common sense. If people choose to use poison, that is their prerogtive, but I WILL NOT report inaccurate, patently FALSE information that any poison is safe from HIGH risk (and not minimal risk, as you claim) of secondary poisoning. It very simply and most definitely is NOT.
And there in lies the problem......just what is the truth.
Just because you state it doesn't make it fact.
Just because I say it doesn't make it fact.
Just because it's posted on the internet doesn't make it fact.
That is why I'd suggest that everyone contact their own vets and see what they say.
You don't "know for a fact" that I and the numerous vets I spoke to and or contacted are wrong.
I do know for a fact is that rats are very smart creatures and once rats take up residence they are next to impossible to get rid of without the use of some type of poison. I do know for a fact that for me, on my farm, the poison was a safe method of eradicating the rats and none of the barn cats or outside dogs suffered any ill effects.
I won't continue this argument here on this thread with you just as I refused to continue it on another thread not too long ago.
I am comfortable with my decision to use the bait as I have.
Would I feed it directly to my cats or dogs? Heavens no but used as it's intended to be used I have found it to be a safe way to kill off the rat population.
I tried all the "safe" methods that were suggested because I was afraid of poisoning my barn cats and outside dogs. NONE of them worked at all or very little. After much research and by talking to several vets about using "Just One Bite".....not just local vets either but vets at the state level and toxicology dept heads.....I bought locking bait boxes and put the bait out. You can say what you want about the vets I talked to, but I'm sorry I trust what they have to say much more than your opinion or online research. Did any say it was 100% safe, no they did not, but they all said that used as directed the risk to any of my barn cats or dogs was minimal.
I disagree with your statement that most of the rats will crawl away from their tunnels to die.....I have not found that to be true. I found some in the pens, but most died in their tunnels and for a time during the second and third weeks of treatment the odor of death coming from under my coops in their tunnels was not pleasant.
I've had chickens for 50+ years and never had a problem with rats until the last 18 months or so. Once they get a foothold they are next to impossible to get rid of without resorting to poison. Believe it or not I was once just as adament about not using poison as you. Once I actually did the research and talked to people who know what they're talking about I changed my mind.
Do what you wish, and claim what you will, but I happen to know for a fact that you and your vets are wrong. Period.
I, too, can back up everything I say with the support of the majority of veterinarians, regarding both the action of poison and rodent behavior---and frankly, common sense. If people choose to use poison, that is their prerogtive, but I WILL NOT report inaccurate, patently FALSE information that any poison is safe from HIGH risk (and not minimal risk, as you claim) of secondary poisoning. It very simply and most definitely is NOT.
And there in lies the problem......just what is the truth.
Just because you state it doesn't make it fact.
Just because I say it doesn't make it fact.
Just because it's posted on the internet doesn't make it fact.
That is why I'd suggest that everyone contact their own vets and see what they say.
You don't "know for a fact" that I and the numerous vets I spoke to and or contacted are wrong.
I do know for a fact is that rats are very smart creatures and once rats take up residence they are next to impossible to get rid of without the use of some type of poison. I do know for a fact that for me, on my farm, the poison was a safe method of eradicating the rats and none of the barn cats or outside dogs suffered any ill effects.
I won't continue this argument here on this thread with you just as I refused to continue it on another thread not too long ago.
I have used lye for a Looooong time it works with constant trapping and poison stations the chickens that I grew up around would roll around in the ashes from our fireplace my aunt used the same ashes to make soap with (lye) I used the same Lye from the ashes to clean my traps with the same lye never hurt the chickens but our birds never had no mites or lice or anything like that it has a much different effect on mammals when they walk through it and then lick there feet they die . as I find the rats that have eaten poison I burn them in a burn barrel I use a coupla different type traps and move them and pull them move them and pull and move etc etc . the less stuff you have piled up the less places you have for them to hide the less rats you will have, occasionally I turn the pump on with a hose stuck in a tunnel when they run out I shoot them with a pellet rifle the homemade poison stations are fairly cheap and easy to make . I like the repeating mouse traps for mice I think it is called a tin cat with no mice or rats here I do not have very many snakes
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