Chickens for 10-20 years or more? Pull up a rockin' chair and lay some wisdom on us!

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When I've accidently dropped an egg in the coop or run and it's broken open, the hens gobble the insides down like crazy and leave the shell as a rule. I feed my shells back to my birds intact and raw---well, not intact, but just broke open. I don't crush them or bake them. I figure it gives the birds something to do to break the halves up. I've not had problems with egg eaters. They seem to eat most of the shells---eventually---or just grind them into the run floor.
 
I approach the worm situation differently. Every animal has intestinal parasites...even us. Yes, even you, so don't think you don't have them. But...you are walking around totally unaware that you have worms. Rarely do you actually see the adult worms shed from the intestines when they finally die because they are, by then, decayed and pretty much the color of your stool. Unless your health is already compromised or you are very young, you may never see the physical evidence of a worm load. Most doctors never test for this and will treat you three ways to Sunday to try and cure the symptoms you have that were ultimately caused by a worm load....no, you don't get skinnier with normal worms, you actually stay kind of fluffier. With tape worms you may see a weight loss but that is not the normal, every day round worm human parasite.

Dogs can be the same way. I rarely deworm my dogs as I never see any evidence that they have a heavy load of parasites(every once in awhile as an after thought I may give an older dog some horse wormer). What do feral animals do for worms? Some chew different plants and grasses to rid themselves and, if you ever saw your dog chewing on saw grass it was for the same reason. The sharp, serrated edges of that grass cuts the worm's skin, allow digestive acids to finish the job...sort of how folks use DE. Now I let my dog cure his own worm problem in just this manner....and it works.

I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I WANT birds who can exist and thrive with the normal intestinal parasites and pathogens that are already there. This mimics more of conditions in nature and that is always what I am shooting for. A flock that is self-sustaining is less work, more profitable and will pass along stronger genetics.

When you constantly deworm, you create a flock that you can never reliably cull for hardiness~how would you know which birds were naturally healthy and parasite resistant if you give them all medicine across the board? Having to rely on medicine to stay healthy is not hardy...it's merely a bird that has to take chemicals into their system to thrive. A human that has to rely on medicine to thrive is generally not considered in optimal health.

Every once in awhile(as in every other year or so or even once a year) I might put a dab of garlic juice in the water just as a health tonic and general parasite dose. It's more of a~let's see if I can make them even glossier and perform even better than they do now~kind of thing. I never really notice a difference but I try it anyhow to see if I can...I'm always looking for ways to optimize health without creating a less natural environment. On the whole, if I felt like deworming, I'd use garlic, soap, etc. These are things that worms can't really build up a resistance to, though soap isn't the most natural thing...we use it to wash ourselves and our dishes, so that's good enough for me.
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Not an OT but have learned lots here. I do have 250 birds at the moment so hopefully I have learned something.....

I too never prepare an egg shell. I have taken eggs that I have cracked while collecting... sue me, I'm a clutz.... Or I have had some that I didn't know how long they had been there so wouldn't sell them and fed them to the birds.

I do make certain to throw them to the ground so when the chickens get to them, they are not egg shaped.... speaking of which.... all of Humpty Dumpty's men couldn't put those shells together again....

They eat those and the empty eggshells. Found a poop pile with a roundworm in it. Not going to worry about it unless some start showing signs of illness. How the heck do I know which bird it was?

Wonder if I could break up that old bad dirt with a rake, hoe, tiller and add some shavings, straw, and carbon to it and compost it into good dirt again?

For the one afraid of pigs.... Let me introduce you to Molly.



Molly is the runt of the litter. I have two of her sisters.

Here is her story- http://www.ohioporkandpoultry.com/1/post/2012/07/meet-molly.html

Still scared?
 
I approach the worm situation differently. Every animal has intestinal parasites...even us. Yes, even you, so don't think you don't have them. But...you are walking around totally unaware that you have worms. Rarely do you actually see the adult worms shed from the intestines when they finally die because they are, by then, decayed and pretty much the color of your stool. Unless your health is already compromised or you are very young, you may never see the physical evidence of a worm load. Most doctors never test for this and will treat you three ways to Sunday to try and cure the symptoms you have that were ultimately caused by a worm load....no, you don't get skinnier with normal worms, you actually stay kind of fluffier. With tape worms you may see a weight loss but that is not the normal, every day round worm human parasite.

Dogs can be the same way. I rarely deworm my dogs as I never see any evidence that they have a heavy load of parasites(every once in awhile as an after thought I may give an older dog some horse wormer). What do feral animals do for worms? Some chew different plants and grasses to rid themselves and, if you ever saw your dog chewing on saw grass it was for the same reason. The sharp, serrated edges of that grass cuts the worm's skin, allow digestive acids to finish the job...sort of how folks use DE. Now I let my dog cure his own worm problem in just this manner....and it works.

I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I WANT birds who can exist and thrive with the normal intestinal parasites and pathogens that are already there. This mimics more of conditions in nature and that is always what I am shooting for. A flock that is self-sustaining is less work, more profitable and will pass along stronger genetics.

When you constantly deworm, you create a flock that you can never reliably cull for hardiness~how would you know which birds were naturally healthy and parasite resistant if you give them all medicine across the board? Having to rely on medicine to stay healthy is not hardy...it's merely a bird that has to take chemicals into their system to thrive. A human that has to rely on medicine to thrive is generally not considered in optimal health.

Every once in awhile(as in every other year or so or even once a year) I might put a dab of garlic juice in the water just as a health tonic and general parasite dose. It's more of a~let's see if I can make them even glossier and perform even better than they do now~kind of thing. I never really notice a difference but I try it anyhow to see if I can...I'm always looking for ways to optimize health without creating a less natural environment. On the whole, if I felt like deworming, I'd use garlic, soap, etc. These are things that worms can't really build up a resistance to, though soap isn't the most natural thing...we use it to wash ourselves and our dishes, so that's good enough for me.
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thank you Bee. This is along the lines of what I thought. I have read that pumpkin is a natural de wromer. Of course I read it on the net so I take it with a grain of salt. But chickens love eating pumpkin, so in the fall I cut a couple open over a month long timeframe to let them go at it. I have no idea if it is a de wormer, but the chickens love it!
 
Bee:
I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I can't remember the last time I found myself staring at poop, but I agree with you and since you are a nurse....why do I have this overwhelming urge to drag my butt on the rug now that you have told us all that we have parasites?

Walt
 
I feed pumpkins too and for the same reason....pumpkin seeds actually contain a chemical that paralyzes the worms so that they detach and can be flushed out with the stool(it's true, BTW, according to physicians/scientists/biologists). I don't see evidence of worms in my flocks as they are very healthy...but I feed the pumpkin just because it would be something they would glean from my garden in their foraging anyway. I grow pumpkins that are sweet enough for pies, pretty enough for decoration and store well enough for a winter health food for the chickens and sheep.

It's something that I would be doing anyway, so why not take advantage of it?
 
Bee:
I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I can't remember the last time I found myself staring at poop, but I agree with you and since you are a nurse....why do I have this overwhelming urge to drag my butt on the rug now that you have told us all that we have parasites?

Walt


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That's not worms, Walt, that's impacted anal glands!
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Bee:
I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I can't remember the last time I found myself staring at poop, but I agree with you and since you are a nurse....why do I have this overwhelming urge to drag my butt on the rug now that you have told us all that we have parasites?

Walt
Too funny!!!
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Bee:
I don't stare at poop to see if my birds have a problem. I look at the health of the birds. Any unhealthy looking/performing birds are cut from the flock when I do my yearly culling. Do they have an excess worm load? Who knows? I don't care. All I look for is general health and performance. If my birds can remain healthy and perform at peak with their existing worm load, this is the desired effect.

I can't remember the last time I found myself staring at poop, but I agree with you and since you are a nurse....why do I have this overwhelming urge to drag my butt on the rug now that you have told us all that we have parasites?

Walt
You just won't do, Walt!
 
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