chicks dying , help....coccidiosis???? any thoughts....

[esther5]

well it's the third day of worming and i see no worms in the poop so i assume it's not worms. so far none of mine have survived it can't hurt to give cayenne pepper a try. it gets mighty discouraging trying to feel reluctant chickens that die anyway so i confess to not trying as hard with number 8 but i have ordered a crop feeding tube as that will ease the feeding burden.

the vet doesn't think it's mareks...nor do i. but it is probably a virus and the wasting away is the same so i will also get some st johns wort on the basis that it seems to help birds recover from mareks. again it can't hurt.

i hope your chickens get well again wanted. and if it's worms 6little hens...at least you know how to treat.

of to go and coax some food into my sick pullet.

 

[wantedman66]

Thanks and good luck with yours and it doesn't hurt trying different things at least your trying that's all you can do,I know it's discouraging especially when you have time and money into them and NAME them as my kids do,so hang in there keep us posted and happy 4th.

 

[LibertyChick]

well it's the third day of worming and i see no worms in the poop so i assume it's not worms. so far none of mine have survived it can't hurt to give cayenne pepper a try. it gets mighty discouraging trying to feel reluctant chickens that die anyway so i confess to not trying as hard with number 8 but i have ordered a crop feeding tube as that will ease the feeding burden.

the vet doesn't think it's mareks...nor do i. but it is probably a virus and the wasting away is the same so i will also get some st johns wort on the basis that it seems to help birds recover from mareks. again it can't hurt.

i hope your chickens get well again wanted. and if it's worms 6little hens...at least you know how to treat.

of to go and coax some food into my sick pullet.

Hi Esther,

I'm going to give my two cents here. You have tried the vet and wasted your money...you have tried the pharmaceuitcals and wasted your money...vaccines wouldn't help anything and suppressing symptoms won't cure the reason for the symptom.

Animals and humans for that matter do not have any drug deficiency diseases. So, antibiotics, vaccines and other drugs will not help them get healthy. They need healthy food, which will help to repair their bodies. I don't know if you know how homeopathy works or not, but it's an energy medicine. All foods have an energy. Healthy foods have a healthy energy and pharmaceuticals stop the body from expressing a symptom, but doesn't correct the underlying reason for the symptom.

Here is a good analogy...you have a car and the car has a check engine light. If your check engine light comes on, are you going to take it to the mechanic to just shut the light off or find the reason for the light being on in the first place? Yes, you want the mechanic to find the reason for the check engine light being on. You don't want the mechanic to unplug the light or put some tape over the light so you don't see it glaring you in the face. When you give pharmaceuticals, you are just cutting the wire to the check engine light and are not fixing the reason the light came on in the first place.

Whole foods, non-gmo, foods/grasses/bugs/weeds/fruits/vegetables/real foods are what the chickens need. Do you have any kefir? Do you know anyone who has kefir grains so you can give your chickens some probiotics from the kefir? The antibiotics kills all the beneficial microflora in their bodies, now you have to replace those. Every living creature, animal or human has these probiotics in our bodies and they are keeping us alive. We would be dead without them.

I hope this helps,
LibertyChick

 

[esther5]

hi
the pullet is a lot worse. i don't think she will make it. i have found kefir grains on ebay so will get them and try to salvage the others before they show signs of sickness.
thank you for your help. i'll try anything at this point...

 

[ESofVA]

I understand natural and homeopathy but I personally prefer antibiotics. It is like having a strep throat and taking a penicillin or whatever drug that will kill the bacteria that cause. Antibiotics kill bacterial infections. They do not kill viruses. Sometimes antibiotics will help if there is a secondary infection from a bacterium.

I don't know of any poultry hatchery that automatically vaccinates chicks. You have to request it and pay an extra fee per chick. That is what I am doing with the ones I order. If I hatch them myself or buy chicks from a feed store...or elsewhere...I vaccinate them myself. I have found that where I am living, poultry diseases just seem to abound. Marek's, Infectious Bronchitis, Mycoplasma, Fowl Pox and who knows how many more! I have discovered these in just a little over 1 year of having chickens. No, I haven't dealt with all of those personally, but have met people that have had to.

So, do I want to wait to see if they catch something or vaccinate beforehand to make sure they don't? You can give yogurt with the probiotics to help replace the internal "good" bacteria after they have finished their meds.

I don't know if any of you have ever seen the page on chicken "poo" , but it has pictures of normal poo and then pictures of poo that a chicken produces. if something is wrong. Anyway...if you haven't seen it...here is the link:

http://chat.allotment.org/index.php?topic=17568.0

I am not trying to say that those poo pics will totally solve the problems...but sometime they might help.

 

[ten chicks]

hi
the pullet is a lot worse. i don't think she will make it. i have found kefir grains on ebay so will get them and try to salvage the others before they show signs of sickness.
thank you for your help. i'll try anything at this point...

I realize that you treated chicks for Coccidiosis,but did the vet check them for it anyway? There are 9 strains of cocci,how long did you originally treat them for? I know you were using the 3.84% Coxoid,the reason i am inquiring is that you may have not used a strong enough dose. Coxoid is usually used for pigeons and dose is 28ml per 4.5 litres(gallon),treat for 7 days. I cannot find much information regarding use in chickens,only info i found was that it is only used with the advice of a vet. Strange thing is, the symptoms your chicks have(exception is the chick with respiratory issues)are symptoms of Coccidiosis. If chicks are dying and still exhibit symptoms of cocci,i would treat them again. Some symptoms are runny/watery poop(may or may not contain blood),lethargic,fluffed feathers,not eating/drinking properly,chicks will die if not treated properly/at all.

No vitamins were given during treatment for Coccidiosis? Vitamins interfere with the ability of the medication to work properly.

 

[casportpony]

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I don't know if any of you have ever seen the page on chicken "poo" , but it has pictures of normal poo and then pictures of poo that a chicken produces. if something is wrong. Anyway...if you haven't seen it...here is the link:

http://chat.allotment.org/index.php?topic=17568.0

I am not trying to say that those poo pics will totally solve the problems...but sometime they might help.

That page has some poop listed as normal that should not be! Like this one:

-Kathy

 

[esther5]

I realize that you treated chicks for Coccidiosis,but did the vet check them for it anyway? There are 9 strains of cocci,how long did you originally treat them for? I know you were using the 3.84% Coxoid,the reason i am inquiring is that you may have not used a strong enough dose. Coxoid is usually used for pigeons and dose is 28ml per 4.5 litres(gallon),treat for 7 days. I cannot find much information regarding use in chickens,only info i found was that it is only used with the advice of a vet. Strange thing is, the symptoms your chicks have(exception is the chick with respiratory issues)are symptoms of Coccidiosis. If chicks are dying and still exhibit symptoms of cocci,i would treat them again. Some symptoms are runny/watery poop(may or may not contain blood),lethargic,fluffed feathers,not eating/drinking properly,chicks will die if not treated properly/at all.

No vitamins were given during treatment for Coccidiosis? Vitamins interfere with the ability of the medication to work properly.

hi
i used 28ml per gallon for 7 days and no vitamins. no the vet did not check for it. in UK everything would state it must be via a vet. there is very little we can get hold of.i could retreat. since most people report rapid improvement i assumed it was not cocci. i did take a poop sample in. ...3 actually. but she didn't think it needed testing. the poop actually looked normal though she does have some watery runny poops at times. that could be under eating.

if it is cocci it has hit gradually the first bird died about 8 weeks ago and 5 altogether have had similar symptons and it seems one dies then i have a few days grace before the next one starts. there is no blood in the poop even at point of death.i would expect cocci to have them sick as a group rather than so spaced out but i might be wrong in thinking that.the cockerel that died i hoped might be because he had too much damage before treatment started but my pullet got sick after the treatment with corid ended.

thanks for your help

 

[esther5]

...i wonder if starvation is what kills them eventually. the weight loss is dramatic.

 

[esther5]

the crop feeder arrived in the post today. it is so much easier than i thought it would be to insert the tube. usually i end up covered in mush and am not confident i've got a lot down her. i know she has had crumble soup with a raw egg mixed in. i put 50 ml down and read somewhere that 180 m/l per day is about right for an adult. mine is a 17 week old emaciated pullet. any advice on how much to give her is appreciated.#
also feeding raw garlic, vitamins and keifer.