Cocci back in 2 weeks????

[meadrian]

I have two hens. When they were 8 and 12 weeks we treated for cocci per an avian certified vet. They were given Albon for 10 days orally. Their fecal samples came back clean. They're now 12 and 16 weeks and I'm seeing bloody poo from one of them. I thought at first it was cecal, but now I think I was wrong.

Can I go ahead and get some Corid and treat them??? Seems that works for most folks. And it's not hundreds of dollars in vet bills.

They both are eating and running around just fine. My 16 week old seems to not be growing her comb in and feels a little underweight. But neither are lethargic. Their behavior is normal.

Any help is very much appreciated! Thanks.

 

[jenni2142]

I just treated 5 12 weeks olds for cocci, with an extended course of sulmet. A little over a week later, more bloody poo. I was told that maybe it was cecal cocci, harder to get rid of, and chose to retreat with another course of the sulmet. As of yet no symptoms but better safe than sorry.

 

[meadrian]

Wow. Sorry to hear it came back, but glad I'm not alone. Do you know what the difference is between Sulmet and Corid? Does Sulment have a withdrawl period that you know of? Not that mine are laying yet, or yours, just curious. I'm going to go look it up. So no new symptoms. Excellent! Thanks for responding, too! I was begining to wonder if I was the only one who had reoccurance after treatment. I,m very new at this, but learning as I go along.

Thanks, again!

 

[KellyHM]

Cocci is in the soil, so they can pick it up any time. Their immune systems should fight it at that age unless there's just a huge amount of it that they're being exposed to.

 

[meadrian]

I've been checking their poo all day. (Hmmm...wonder what that says about me.

) Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's my 16 week old hen. This morning it was definately red/bloody, though not alot, but throughout the day it just looks normal, with maybe, what looks like, a very little intestinal lining. Tonight I'd swear they were all normal. She was looking a little sleepy in the late afternoon, but has been eating, catching bugs and running around, too. No lethargy. The 12 week old is just fine.

Could she be building immunity? Or should I go ahead and treat it when I get the Corid?

 

[dlhunicorn]

meds can be hard on bird and cocci IS hard on them and causes (sometimes irreversible) intestinal damage.
Get another faecal from the same vet and be sure to ask him to check for cappillaria (worms) ... worms often take hold when birds are weakened and this type is known to cause bloody droppings from intestinal damage.
Take an AMPLE and FRESH supply of poo in (set something plastic perhaps underneath to catch it) and take it in immediately.
It might just be intestinal damage and false negatives are also very common.
Personally if the birds have had access to the ground I would suspect cappillaria perhaps in combination with cocci but if the birds have cappillaria then their system is not going to be strong enough to deal with cocci.

I would also offer daily live culture yogurt

 

[jenni2142]

I would follow advice of above post. Sulmet is harder on them than Corid but the only thing I could find. I also forget that not everyone has theirs in the house, mine have zero access to soil at the moment. I also don't have a local vet that will see chickens. The closest thing I have is posting poos pics for help, Sandy is a lifesaver and speaks highly of dlhunicorn. Good luck and I hope your girl is okay.

 

[meadrian]

Thank you so much! I have been giving them all natural plain yogurt daily and they do have access to soil. Would giving them meal worms from the store cause any of this?

I think I will bring in a fecal sample of both birds. Better to know what I'm dealing with.

I don't have access to Corid. I ordered it online yesterday and is being sent priority mail. And we, luckily, have one Avain certified vet who treats backyard poultry only. She also has a vet friend who only treats farm animals and checks things out with him as well. I'm very glad she's around.

Again, thanks so much. And if you know about the meal worms, let me know. I haven't given them any for several days because of all of this.

 

[dlhunicorn]

farmed meal worms (I cant imagine a store selling wild ones) are no source for cappillaria (they are really easy to farm and farmed mealworms to do not dine on the stuff wild ones do) so no I do not believe they had anything to do with this (btw > the mealworms should never have an unpleasant smell to them... if they do do not buy them)

 

[meadrian]

I didn't know that. Hmmm....very interesting. So far, so good. They are farmed and no smell. Thanks!!!!